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    Re: The John Birch Society to Co-Sponsor CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, what's wrong with The John Birch Society?
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    If the CPAC wants to include the John Birch Society, they should do it; it's their prerogative. That is what makes America great: the craziest have the ability to express their opinions.
    LOL! That is what the Republican party needs, more crazies!

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    Re: The John Birch Society to Co-Sponsor CPAC

    I am going to take a slightly different course here. I went the the John Birch Society webpage(- The John Birch Society) and did a bit of reading. While they are far right, and to my mind wrong about everything, I did not find anything in 15 to 20 minutes of reading to suggest they are any more wacky than any far right or left organization of today. Even the wiki article on them does nothing to make the think that currently they are any more objectionable than any group on the outskirts of the political spectrum.

    So instead of getting all worked up about this, I want to ask you all a question: what is it about JBS today(not 20 years ago) that makes this so worth of criticism?
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    Re: The John Birch Society to Co-Sponsor CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you lived here your opinion might have a little more credibility.
    Just help me out here becasue I am a newby. I have debated extensively on two forums and these have made non Americans who live outside the USA very welcome. Even the most vociferous opponents have refrained from personal attacks based on nationality or residence. Different forums have different standards. Is this sort of response acceptable on here? If I post my opinion on the John Birch society am I going to receive personal attacks based on the fact that I am a Brit living in China? Can I reciprocate with suitably calibrated personal attacks of my own?
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    Re: The John Birch Society to Co-Sponsor CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am going to take a slightly different course here. I went the the John Birch Society webpage(- The John Birch Society) and did a bit of reading. While they are far right, and to my mind wrong about everything, I did not find anything in 15 to 20 minutes of reading to suggest they are any more wacky than any far right or left organization of today. Even the wiki article on them does nothing to make the think that currently they are any more objectionable than any group on the outskirts of the political spectrum.

    So instead of getting all worked up about this, I want to ask you all a question: what is it about JBS today(not 20 years ago) that makes this so worth of criticism?
    What would be the reaction of the Democratic Party invited Trotskyists to their coventions? And Trotskyists are far preferable to the scum of the JBS. After all, Trotskyists grow up to be neocons.
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    Re: The John Birch Society to Co-Sponsor CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    What would be the reaction of the Democratic Party invited Trotskyists to their coventions? And Trotskyists are far preferable to the scum of the JBS. After all, Trotskyists grow up to be neocons.
    Why would I care what some right winger thinks about who we invite to our conventions? I ask again, what is so wrong with JBS today? Why is this worth getting upset about?
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    Re: The John Birch Society to Co-Sponsor CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is sickening. CPAC used to stand for something, and now it is teaming up with a racist political group that once attempted to impeach a Supreme Court Justice for the Brown v. Board of Education decision, claiming it was a Communist attempt to turn Arkansas into a "Negro Soviet Republic", and whose leader claimed that MLK was trained by Russia to overthrow the US government?!?! The only thing worse than the John Birch Society is the Ku Klux Klan, and not by much.

    Unbelievable. What in the hell is happening to the right in this country? They are truly beginning to slide into the toilet. I hope that any Conservative who reads this will make a decision to kick CPAC to the curb. It is giving the Conservative movement one hell of a black eye.

    Article is here.
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    Re: The John Birch Society to Co-Sponsor CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    They also said that the Brown v. Board of Education decision by the Supreme Court was an attempt to create a "Negro Soviet Republic" out of Arkansas. You can't get any more racist and wacko than that.
    You got a link?
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    Re: The John Birch Society to Co-Sponsor CPAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am going to take a slightly different course here. I went the the John Birch Society webpage(- The John Birch Society) and did a bit of reading. While they are far right, and to my mind wrong about everything, I did not find anything in 15 to 20 minutes of reading to suggest they are any more wacky than any far right or left organization of today. Even the wiki article on them does nothing to make the think that currently they are any more objectionable than any group on the outskirts of the political spectrum.

    So instead of getting all worked up about this, I want to ask you all a question: what is it about JBS today(not 20 years ago) that makes this so worth of criticism?
    Totally fair/reasonable question. But your premise needs to be examined, i.e. that all you need do to discover whether an organization deserves your support or interest is look at what they say about themselves on their website or in their publications.

    The JBS has a 50-year sordid history of defaming virtually all of our national political leaders (Democrat and Republican) over the past 8 decades. The JBS was responsible for a change in American libel law. After 14 years of litigation, including 2 jury trials, several appeals, and review by the U.S. Supreme Court, the JBS paid Chicago lawyer Elmer Gertz $100,000 in compensatory damages and $300,000 in punitive damages because of false and libelous comments contained in a JBS magazine article which discussed Gertz. Punitive damages are only permitted when "malice" can be shown -- i.e. "reckless disregard for truth".

    The JBS now uses vague and ambiguous terminology in its publications so as to avoid more libel lawsuits. They usually substitute "Insiders" or "elites" for former terms such as "Marxist", "Communist" "Communist sympathizer" etc.

    I suggest you review my report on the JBS which is based upon first-time-released FBI documents and files to discover why J. Edgar Hoover and senior FBI officials concluded that the JBS was "extremist", "irrational", "irresponsible" -- among other pejorative descriptions. See how often the JBS circulated falsehoods and malicious defamatory descriptions -- and then make up your own mind. http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs-1

    In addition, you might like to read what prominent conservatives have said about the JBS and Robert Welch: http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs-4
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