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    Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate

    Poor befuddled John McCain.

    Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate

    Yesterday, Sen. Al Franken (D-MN), acting on the orders of the Senate leadership, refused to grant Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) “an additional moment” to continue speaking on the Senate floor after his 10 minutes expired. Franken’s objection caused Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) to groan about how Franken’s move was unprofessional, unprecedented, and disrespectful:

    McCAIN: I’ve been around here 20-some years. First time I’ve ever seen a member denied an extra minute or two to finish his remarks. … I just haven’t seen it before myself. And I don’t like it. And I think it harms the comity of the Senate not to allow one of our members at least a minute. I’m sure that time is urgent here, but I doubt that it would be that urgent.

    Unfortunately, McCain’s memory is suffering. In fact, McCain has engaged in the very same behavior that he was criticizing Franken for yesterday.


    On October 10, 2002 — just ahead of the looming mid-term elections — the Senate rushed a debate on a war authorization giving President Bush the power to use force against Iraq. The resolution ultimately passed the Senate after midnight on an early Friday morning by a vote of 77-23.

    During the course of the frenzied floor debate, then-Sen. Mark Dayton (D-MN) spoke in favor of an amendment offered by Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) that would have restricted Bush’s constitutional powers to wage war against Iraq. After a minute and a half, Dayton ran out of time, prompting this exchange:

    The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator’s time has expired.

    Mr. DAYTON. I ask for unanimous consent that I have 30 seconds more to finish my remarks.

    Mr. McCAIN. I object.

    Byrd stepped in to grant Dayton time to finish his remarks. But just moments later, Byrd asked for more time to speak for himself. Again, McCain objected, prompting Byrd to chide him for doing so. “This shows the patience of a Senator,” Byrd said. “This clearly demonstrates that the train is coming down on us like a Mack truck, and we are not even going to consider a few extra minutes for this Senator.”

    After being publicly shamed, McCain acquiesced to Byrd’s request. But moments later, McCain added this disclaimer: “I wish to say very briefly that I understand people have a desire to speak. We have a number of Senators who have not spoken on this issue. It is already looking as if we may be here well into this evening. From now on, I will be adhering strictly to the rules.”

    In other words, he acted just like Franken did yesterday.
    Seems like both McCain's and Lieberman's memories fail them when the shoe is on the other foot!


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    Re: Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Poor befuddled John McCain.



    Seems like both McCain's and Lieberman's memories fail them when the shoe is on the other foot!

    McCain being a dick in 2002 does not excuse Franken being a dick in 2009. Matter of fact it makes you look petty. Franken was being an asshole for no reason.
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    Re: Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate

    John McCain the old hypocrite, but I still agree with Hatuey on this one. I agree that this doesn't let Franken off the hook for being a dick.
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    Re: Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    McCain being a dick in 2002 does not excuse Franken being a dick in 2009. Matter of fact it makes you look petty. Franken was being an asshole for no reason.
    Evidently, you missed the first sentence of the article:

    Yesterday, Sen. Al Franken (D-MN), acting on the orders of the Senate leadership, refused to grant Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) “an additional moment” to continue speaking on the Senate floor after his 10 minutes expired.

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    Re: Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    John McCain the old hypocrite, but I still agree with Hatuey on this one. I agree that this doesn't let Franken off the hook for being a dick.
    What? I thought all the congress critters were dicks? It's just some are bigger dicks than others.

    I find it telling how some of these overinflated egos go into overheat mode when they think a freshman senator is overstepping his bounds. How dare he! Franken has a way to go until he gets to be as big as dick as McCain or Lieberman. Most of these self loving above the law dickheads just ramble anyway when they get up to the podium. Another minute just makes the boredom of listening to them that much more excruciating.
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    Re: Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    What? I thought all the congress critters were dicks? It's just some are bigger dicks than others.

    I find it telling how some of these overinflated egos go into overheat mode when they think a freshman senator is overstepping his bounds. How dare he! Franken has a way to go until he gets to be as big as dick as McCain or Lieberman.
    Franken has been a bigger dick than McCain since well before he got elected to the Senate.

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    Re: Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate

    Franken is a disgrace, he is ****.


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    Re: Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Evidently, you missed the first sentence of the article:
    The senate & Franken were being dicks then. Satisfied?
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    Re: Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Franken has been a bigger dick than McCain since well before he got elected to the Senate.
    Doubtful. Franken hasn't even had time to learn the ropes yet like those old cons (pros).
    Last edited by EnigmaO01; 12-19-09 at 03:12 PM.

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    Re: Flashback: McCain Refused To Grant 30 Seconds Of Time During Iraq War Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Evidently, you missed the first sentence of the article:
    I get that Glinda. I also got a good laugh out of Lieberman and McCain's response.

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