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Why Did Senate Republicans Oppose Troop Funding?

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I was surprised to find no mention here of last night's astounding Republican political ****ery, when the GOP eagerly played Russian Roulette with our troops.

(If my search was faulty and there is a similar thread, my apologies; mods feel free to merge...)

Why Did Senate Republicans Oppose Troop Funding?

The Atlantic Wire


A bill to continue funding troops in Iraq and Afghanistan might not sound controversial, but Senate Republicans did their best to block it this morning. Thirty-three of them voted to filibuster the legislation--just seven votes short. The only Republicans to join Dems approving the bill were Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas, and Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine. So why would Republicans--who spent years reproving Democrats for insufficiently supporting the troops -- vote to cut off their funding? (House Republicans, meanwhile, voted overwhelmingly to support the funding measure.) Observers think it's a tactic designed to stall the health care vote. For their part, liberals are incensed, while conservative writers are conspicuously silent.

* Becoming 'Party of No' a Risky Strategy NBC News asks of the GOP, "Can you govern if you're unwilling to play ball? [...] Aren't they handing Obama the 'obstructionist' message that benefited Bush and Clinton in their first terms?" They ask, "How many times can you say 'no'?" Given how many GOP-friendly concessions have been made in health care, "It may be that the politics of this and the bitterness that's descended inside the Senate prevent anyone from crossing party lines. But do Republicans risk looking totally like obstructionists if some of their bigger concerns about the bill are gone?" Chuck Todd adds, "Senate GOP rolled dice big time with the attempt to filibuster the troop funding bill as a way to delay [health care] action."

* GOP Hands Dems Major Symbolic Victory Salon's Thomas Schaller writes, "Why do Republicans hate our troops? If the shoe were on other foot, you know GOPers would be asking the same of Democrats." He advises, "Not only does this go against all of the soft-on-defense attacks the GOP has launched against Democrats since, oh, 1968. But some Republicans openly admit they are doing it. If President Obama and Senate Democrats cannot turn this into a holy **** storm of criticism, there's something wrong with them."

* Republicans End Troop-Loving Charade Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas shakes his head. "At least Republicans don't have to pretend to give a **** about our troops anymore. That must be a relief for them. Let's tally it up: GOP sends troops to die in optional war, then vows to filibuster funding for them. Yup. Definitely looks like hate."

* Obstruction at Any Cost Talking Points Memo's Brian Beutler is appalled. "Republicans are upping the obstruction--and they're playing chicken with U.S. troops to do so," he writes. "For their part, Republicans aren't exactly being coy about what their play is. 'We're doing everything we can to stop this bill,' [Minority Leader Sen. Mitch] McConnell spokesman Don Stewart told reporters this afternoon."

* Why Obama Needs Democratic Unity The American Prospect's Tim Fernholz notes, "This is why, despite the higher support for the War in Afghanistan among Republicans, the president can't really rely on their help in Congress if his own party continues its intransigence on the subject -- the GOP will drop any principle, including their support for escalation in Afghanistan, to score meager political points or delay the passage of the majority agenda."

* Political Game With Troops Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill hits back, "Hard to believe. Funding runs out tomorrow. A political game with the troops?"


Given how outraged the right was that President Obama "dithered" on his decision to send more troops to Afghanistan, and that *gasp!* ONOES!! AMERICANS ARE DYING WHILE OBAMA DELAYS!!!, I can't wait to hear how conservatives/Republicans spin this load of hypocritical horse****.
 
I'm quite sure there is more to the story, riders added to the bill so it's not about Troop Funding but something else, but you won't admit that, ever.
 
I'm quite sure there is more to the story, riders added to the bill so it's not about Troop Funding but something else, but you won't admit that, ever.

If you believe this to be so, why don't you provide some evidence for us? :)
 
If you believe this to be so, why don't you provide some evidence for us? :)

Why bother with you? You won't read it, you'll attack the source and claim it means nothing. I posted for the benefit of other posters that might start to believe your hype, give them pause to consider that what you posted and your assessment isn't the only possibility.

I have very little use in trying to convince you that you're wrong.

However, this wasn't "Just a Troop Funding Bill" AND it was a stalling move to delay the Dem's disastrous Healthcare bill.
 
Politics as we have it needs serious reform. Perhaps even the elimination of parties altogether as a force.

It's not the Parties, it's the idiots that vote.
 
Really? Can you name me an election where this can be seen?

I know Bush aint exactly Madison, but Al Gore is not exactly Jefferson.

You see when your choices are between **** and Manure, is it really a choice at all?

Are you really that dense?

Why did we have "those two choices"? Because the PEOPLE don't demand better. You really think the parties would be the way they are if the voters were more active, involved and educated?

Stop hating the players, hate the game.
 
Why bother with you? You won't read it, you'll attack the source and claim it means nothing. I posted for the benefit of other posters that might start to believe your hype, give them pause to consider that what you posted and your assessment isn't the only possibility.

:spin:

So, you have nothing. Should I be surprised?

Beyond this, if the only reason you posted in this thread was to inform others of how misleading and/or incorrect the article is, why run away from explaining to your uninformed friends exactly what is misleading and/or incorrect?
 
Are you really that dense?

Why did we have "those two choices"? Because the PEOPLE don't demand better. You really think the parties would be the way they are if the voters were more active, involved and educated?

Stop hating the players, hate the game.

No need to start insults.

In any case, its like blaming the rape victim for wearing a short skirt. Yes the people need to raise their voices and get into politics more actively, but the system is setup to suppress this type of behavior. So calling the voters stupid isnt really solving the issue now is it?
 
Guys, please stay on topic. Thanks.
 
:spin:

So, you have nothing. Should I be surprised?

Beyond this, if the only reason you posted in this thread was to inform others of how misleading and/or incorrect the article is, why run away from explaining to your uninformed friends exactly what is misleading and/or incorrect?

I just let you rant on, that should be enough.
 
No need to start insults.

In any case, its like blaming the rape victim for wearing a short skirt. Yes the people need to raise their voices and get into politics more actively, but the system is setup to suppress this type of behavior. So calling the voters stupid isnt really solving the issue now is it?

I blame the people. If the voters didn't act like lemmings we wouldn't have half the problems we do now. If they DID THEIR JOBS we wouldn't.

Oh on topic? You mean spinning a stall tactic on a larger bill that happened to contain troop funding and trying to label the GOP as anti-military, I thought we solved that. You're parroting the DNC talking point on the issue trying to smear the GOP...

Duh.
 
Both parties played politics here.

The Associated Press: Senate sends big Pentagon budget bill to Obama

But there was GOP discontent over the Democratic decision to use the bill as the engine to carry several short-term extensions of programs set to expire because of the failure of Congress to deal with them separately.

Those include two-month extensions of unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless, health care subsidies for those out of work, highway and transit funding, three provisions of the terrorism-fighting Patriot Act and legislation shielding doctors from a steep cut in Medicare payments.
 
I see our right-leaning friends are avoiding this debate like the plague.

:rofl :2wave: :rofl

Republicans have sealed their fate as The Party of NO. Their outright hypocrisy is sickening.

GOP Health Care Memo: "Delay, Stall, Slow Down"

A new strategy memo from Republican party leader Michael Steele urges Republicans to do everything in their power to block the Democrats' health care bill from moving forward in the Senate.

"I urge everyone to spend every bit of capital and energy you have to stop this health care reform," Republican National Committee Chair Michael Steele wrote in the memo, obtained by CBS News. "The Democrats have accused us of trying to delay, stall, slow down and stop this bill. They are right. We do want to delay, stall, slow down and ultimately stop them from experimenting on our nation's health care. And guess what, so do a majority of Americans."

In fact, Steele's last point may be up for debate. A CBS News/ New York Times poll released last night shows that while most Americans are skeptical of the impact the Democrats' overall health care package will have, 60 percent of Americans still support the Democrats' proposal for a government-run health insurance option, or "public option."

First, a purity test that even Ronnie Reagan couldn't pass. Now, a perfect example of exactly how hypocritical and self-important our Republican leaders are.

Upcoming congressional elections are going to be really interesting for these Republican Senators who voted against military funding...
 
Simple. They are the "Party of NO".

No ideas...just no.
 
Sorry, I guess this was supposed to be a partisan jerk-circle, so I should have realized that pointing out that both parties suck right now wouldn't fly here.

I see our right-leaning friends are avoiding this debate like the plague.

:rofl :2wave: :rofl

Republicans have sealed their fate as The Party of NO. Their outright hypocrisy is sickening.



First, a purity test that even Ronnie Reagan couldn't pass. Now, a perfect example of exactly how hypocritical and self-important our Republican leaders are.

Upcoming congressional elections are going to be really interesting for these Republican Senators who voted against military funding...

What a horribly dishonest quote. The public option is a moot point now; the fact is that as many as 60% of Americans oppose the current Senate bill. The "purity test" was never even close to being put into action and reflects nobody's views except those of the crazy who wrote it. You are right that upcoming Congressional elections are going to be interesting though, since it looks like those evil, hypocritical Republicans are going to gain 3-6 seats in the Senate and 20-50 seats in the House.


Both parties do dumb crap. To say otherwise is to be what we call here a "partisan hack".
 
Simple. They are the "Party of NO".

No ideas...just no.

The Democrats have 60% of both the House and the Senate right now, plus the Presidency (and hence, veto power). How the hell are Republicans supposed to get anything of their own accomplished under those circumstances? Voting "no" on all the crap the Democrats are putting forward is all they can do right now.

Oh sorry, did I just interrupt your campaign-like slogan-spewing with thoughtful analysis? I apologize, you can go back to jerking off to pictures of Obama now.
 
Simple. They are the "Party of NO".

No ideas...just no.
Yes, keep telling yourself that. The Dem's have the House, the Senate and the WH. The GOP cannot stop them. The only NO i the whores like Landraue (sp?) and Nelson demanding more pork for their votes.
 
The republic senate is eager to fund our troops. It's no secret that this was a ploy to affect publicly funded health care. This was a political tactic. That's all.
 
It's no secret that this was a ploy to affect publicly funded health care. This was a political tactic.

EXACTLY. The Republicans are playing politics with the troops (Now where have I heard that accusation before?) in order to avoid doing what the majority of Americans want on the healthcare issue.

Poll: Voters Reject Health Care Mandate Without Public Option, Medicare Buy-In

A new poll suggests that voters are not pleased by the idea of health insurance mandates without a public option or a Medicare expansion.

The recent poll commissioned by the PCCC found that one third of Democrats are less likely to vote in 2010 if the health care bill does not contain a public option.

Conducted by Research 2000 for the Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC), the survey finds only 33 percent of likely voters favor a health care bill that does not include a public health insurance option and does not expand Medicare, but does require all Americans to get health insurance. Slightly more Democrats -- 37 percent -- favor the idea, while only 30 percent of Republicans and 31 percent of independents do.

Meanwhile, if the public option and Medicare buy-in are added, 58 percent of people support the idea. The number of Republican supporters drops to 22 percent, but independent support rises to 57 percent and Democratic support to a whopping 88 percent.

"This poll shows voters in full-blown revolt against the Senate bill," said PCCC co-founder Stephanie Taylor. "Only one-third of voters support mandates without a public option, while nearly two-thirds want the public option and Medicare expansion. This will be a disaster of epic proportions for Democrats in 2010 if it's not fixed -- fast."
 
EXACTLY. The Republicans are playing politics with the troops (Now where have I heard that accusation before?) in order to avoid doing what the majority of Americans want on the healthcare issue.

How odd of you to ignore my post where I pointed out that the public option is a moot point. It's done, gone, that ship has sailed. What's being voted on now is the final bill, which most Americans are against. So you are entirely wrong, no matter what distortion tactics you use to cover that up.

Actually it's odd that you ignored all of my posts in this thread, just so you could continue your partisan masturbation. Well, it's not so much odd or unexpected as it is shameful and hypocritical.
 
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