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    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And Obama's not wrong. Projections on medicare/aid are pretty grim to the point where they are virtually encompassing the budget and many of these were done back in the end days of Clinton.
    The looming fiscal problems we are facing have been ignored and shoved under the rug for many years, mostly so that politicians can keep getting re-elected, and the worst part of it all (to me) is that any politician who has the cahones to get up there and speak the truth will be run out of town. Our government (with full support of the public) has created a monster who will come calling one of these days, and most of the public is completely ignorant of what is happening.

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    Re: President Obama: Federal Government 'Will Go Bankrupt' if Health Care Costs Are N

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The looming fiscal problems we are facing have been ignored and shoved under the rug for many years, mostly so that politicians can keep getting re-elected, and the worst part of it all (to me) is that any politician who has the cahones to get up there and speak the truth will be run out of town. Our government (with full support of the public) has created a monster who will come calling one of these days, and most of the public is completely ignorant of what is happening.
    100% on the money. And Mr. V has the gall to say I'm towing the Obama line when anyone with a brain knows that Medicare was doomed back in 1998. Our government is pretty much screwing us whenever it can. Even social security reformer Bush effectively stole billions out of the SS trust.
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    Re: President Obama: Federal Government 'Will Go Bankrupt' if Health Care Costs Are N

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I was a bit surprised at Dean's response as well.

    The sad fact of the matter is that the US government may end up going bankrupt eventually no matter what we do.
    There you go, in black and white. Our government will collapse eventually, one way or another.

    This healthcare bill will not really reduce medical costs. It will just force more people to pay into the system. But the system will continue to be overloaded.

    Modern medicine is just too darned expensive. It's very, very sophisticated. It relies on extremely expensive equipment and procedures. All these medical advances are breaking the bank. We really can't afford it.

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    Re: President Obama: Federal Government 'Will Go Bankrupt' if Health Care Costs Are N

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Modern medicine is just too darned expensive. It's very, very sophisticated. It relies on extremely expensive equipment and procedures. All these medical advances are breaking the bank. We really can't afford it.
    It is very expensive, but one of the primary reasons (imo) is mandated HMO's and PPO's. These have created the mindset among Americans that they should not be responsible for their own consumption of health care dollars.
    "Free drugs and physician office visits" have contributed to skyrocketing health care costs by making people unaware of overutilization.

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    Re: President Obama: Federal Government 'Will Go Bankrupt' if Health Care Costs Are N

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Leftwingers calling the right fearmongers? Look at what this son of a bitch is doing?
    If we don't pass proper health care reform, we'll be letting the terrorists win.

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    Re: President Obama: Federal Government 'Will Go Bankrupt' if Health Care Costs Are N

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    If we don't pass proper health care reform, we'll be letting the terrorists win.
    Sources? Proof? eh?
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    Re: President Obama: Federal Government 'Will Go Bankrupt' if Health Care Costs Are N

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    There you go, in black and white. Our government will collapse eventually, one way or another.

    This healthcare bill will not really reduce medical costs. It will just force more people to pay into the system. But the system will continue to be overloaded.

    Modern medicine is just too darned expensive. It's very, very sophisticated. It relies on extremely expensive equipment and procedures. All these medical advances are breaking the bank. We really can't afford it.
    hmmm.... that we are able to pay for it seems to indicate that we can afford it.

    what we can't afford are the future costs of our healthcare and retirement entitlement programs. ponzi schemes only work when you keep bringing in larger numbers of people. obviously privatization is the answer; and its' an answer that has the benefit of being self-reinforcing. bringing market pressure to bear on the medical industry will bring down costs while improving actual care. There is no reason for us to accept lower-quality care simply because our method of payment is driving up price.

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    Re: President Obama: Federal Government 'Will Go Bankrupt' if Health Care Costs Are N

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    hmmm.... that we are able to pay for it seems to indicate that we can afford it.

    what we can't afford are the future costs of our healthcare and retirement entitlement programs. ponzi schemes only work when you keep bringing in larger numbers of people. obviously privatization is the answer; and its' an answer that has the benefit of being self-reinforcing. bringing market pressure to bear on the medical industry will bring down costs while improving actual care. There is no reason for us to accept lower-quality care simply because our method of payment is driving up price.
    sounds like circular logic. Where is the market pressure that you will bring to bear? If you mean the government how is that market based?

    Would someone tell me how adding demand ( 30 million more people insured) will lower costs?

    The beauty of this bill is that it does not really go into effect in 2013. So we won't really know the consequences until after the 2012 elections. Probably a coincidence.

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    Re: President Obama: Federal Government 'Will Go Bankrupt' if Health Care Costs Are N

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Nor were the GOP who are arguing not to touch or change Medicare (despite the fact it's broke). Huh. Imagine that.
    That was nothing more than a stall tactic to put Democrats on record for voting against Medicare.
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    Re: President Obama: Federal Government 'Will Go Bankrupt' if Health Care Costs Are N

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    The beauty of this bill is that it does not really go into effect in 2013.
    Proof that the real motivation behind "Health Care Reform" has nothing to do with the uninsured or health care costs.

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