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    Pharma deal shuts down seante debate on healthcare

    It appears Pharmaceutical lobby has Obama and some democrats in their pocket.



    Pharma Deal Shuts Down Senate Health Care Debate


    The White House, aided by Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), is working hard to crush an amendment being pushed by Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) to allow for the reimportation of pharmaceutical drugs from Canada, Senate sources tell the Huffington Post.

    As a result, the Senate health care debate has come to a standstill: Carper has placed a "hold" on Dorgan's amendment and in response, Dorgan tells HuffPost, he'll object to any other amendments being considered before he gets a vote on his.

    Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) is a lead co-sponsor of Dorgan's amendment. She said she's confident that, as of now, they have the votes they need. "I think that's why we're not having this vote," she said, smiling. The amendment has the support of a number of other Republicans, including Sens. John McCain (Ariz.), Charles Grassley (Iowa), John Thune (S.D.) and David Vitter (La.).

    Opponents of the amendment worry that many more Republicans may join the amendment not because they agree with it, but because they want to put the health care bill in jeopardy.

    So the White House and the drug makers are trying to persuade as many Democrats as they can to oppose the amendment despite their previous support for it.

    "I don't think that's going to get my vote," Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) said when HuffPost asked about the reimportation amendment. He said that even though he is a supporter of reimportation, he is concerned that if it passes it could blow everything up.

    "I'm not messing around with anything without 60 votes. Nothing," he said. "And I'm a co-sponsor of the amendment."

    The dispute within the Democratic caucus is becoming personal. "Of course, with Dorgan, it's all about Dorgan," a senior Democratic aide told HuffPost, complaining that Dorgan was willing to blow up health care reform for his own glory.

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    Re: Pharma deal shuts down seante debate on healthcare

    I don't see where Obam and Democrats are in Pharma Lobbyist pockets...
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    Re: Pharma deal shuts down seante debate on healthcare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I don't see where Obam and Democrats are in Pharma Lobbyist pockets...
    So the White House and the drug makers are trying to persuade as many Democrats as they can to oppose the amendment despite their previous support for it.

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    Re: Pharma deal shuts down seante debate on healthcare

    REIMPORTATION

    Think about that for a second...

    Why export a drug to a - gasp - 'socialist' medical system that has negotiated the price down for their citizens, unlike their neighbors to the south free market system is unable to do, only to 'reimport' it?

    Why not use bargaining power to negotiate the price downward before being exported, then reimported? Oh, that's right we have no such bargaining power because we don't have a public option to gain such power.

    Well, what about using our bargaining power in our 'socialist' medical system that most everyone that has it loves it, Medicare. Ah but the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003, passed by the Republican controlled Congress and signed into law by the Republican President expressly prohibits Medicare from negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies.

    So now we turn to the dreaded 'socialist' medical system to help us out. Kinda ironic, donca think...LOL
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    Re: Pharma deal shuts down seante debate on healthcare

    in july obama made his SECRET DEAL WITH PHRMA

    Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma

    it fell on the floor before filthy pharmaceuticals by disallowing drug importation from canada and other locales

    the president also promised his pill-producing pals he would prohibit any renegotiating of drug prices under medicare parts b and d, abrogating and outraging the rights of congress

    pelosi, waxman, dorgan, sherrod brown all bellyached belligerently

    typically, the president denied the deal went down

    but the times, the times and the huffpo got to the bottom of it

    and dorgan's and carper's (on the part of the admin's) postures reveal the reality

    the laugher should really buy a TV

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    Re: Pharma deal shuts down seante debate on healthcare

    1. carper, on behalf of the white house, put a "hold" on dorgan's amendment which would unmake obama's Secret Deal With Phrma

    dorgan would ALLOW importation of cheaper prescriptions

    he has the resounding, recognized support of republicans, cheerled by omnipresent olympia, maverick mccain, grumpy grassley and vulgar david vitter

    reid cannot allow determined dorgan to the floor, the leader will surely lose

    thus carper puts his "hold" on dorgan

    however, the determined dissenter then has the right to "freeze" the entire senate---NO amendment can move until the hold is lifted

    this is what's going on

    2. polls

    fox has reid's merge at 34% support, cnn 36, quinnipiac 38, rasmussen (founder of espn) 41

    with opposed's, respectively---57, 61, 52 and 51

    a well thumbed theorem from Politics 101 warns what happens to national figures and issues which fall below 40%

    the senators are terrified

    3. they're also completely in the dark as to reid's actual design---even the WHIP (durbin) complained

    all say the same thing---we're awaiting cbo's scoring of M55, the party's desperate, improvisational attempt to escape their trap, this expansion downwards of medicare to age 55

    we need numbers, they all take cover

    4. which is why CMS's answer yesterday to mike enzi's written request was so devastating, it was all about numbers

    and it came from the white house's own non partisan actuarial under hhs

    the cms says that reid's merge (BEFORE the expansion of m55) bends the COST CURVE of health care UP by 234B

    it also warns that, due to medicare's meagerly compensation of medics, m55 will put 20% of hospitals in the red

    the white house and GATEKEEPER baucus tried to point out prettier apsects of the report

    but dead dodd in a red faced tirade gave it all away---"completely wrong" is how the best FOA (friend of angelo) described the accountant

    dodd's devastated

    cms is just about the final blow to obamacare

    when florida's BILL nelson, not to be confused with stiffnecked ben, the stupak of upstairs, calls m55 a "non starter..."

    well, there ya go

    5. back to the drawing board

    for the umpteenth time

    6. except---the schedule

    they have to wait for cbo

    they've promised to allow 72 hours for perusal

    it takes days to end a filibuster

    and they have vacation coming up, they want it by next friday

    all this moves this monster into NEXT YEAR

    which is why all this bad news coming NOW is so FATAL

    if cms and dorgan went down a month ago, we'd still be exactly where we've been from the start

    but dorgan and cms occurring NOW is an entirely different dilemna

    7. meanwhile, reid has had to shelve health care for half a week so he can RAISE THE DEBT CEILING

    8. by ONE POINT EIGHT TRIL

    9. that's what they're doing this weekend

    10. how inclement can scheduling be?

    11. plus, today, he's trying to muscle thru ONE POINT ONE TRIL of FUNDING, a TEN PERCENT increase for congressional and cabinet agencies

    12. ms pelosi crammed thru a measure yesterday to UP the secty's spending by only HALF A TRIL

    13. all the while lifting the ceiling by almost TWO TRIL and expanding medicare by 20 mil while cutting it HALF A TRIL even tho it's already obligated under THIRTY FOUR TRIL of unfunded liability

    14. i don't think obama can do math

    15. the evils and idiocies of BUSH and PALIN aside, is there a SINGLE debatepoliticsforums member who will stand up in defense of these opprobrious proceedings

    i am still to meet that member

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    Re: Pharma deal shuts down seante debate on healthcare

    Conceptually, legal barriers that preclude the reimportation of drugs are nothing but an artificial restraint on trade, specifically via a prohibition on letting the marketplace address arbitrage opportunities. Such a law would be no different than one that would prohibit people from buying gold in London (when the price of gold there was lower than in New York) and selling the gold in New York to close the price disparity. I don't believe the force of law should be used to artificially preserve intermarket price disparities. Such laws amount to indirect taxpayer subsidization of the companies benefiting from such restraints on trade.

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    Re: Pharma deal shuts down seante debate on healthcare

    Should not be a big shocker tbh. After all big Pharma had the last President in their pocket also so /shrug.
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    Re: Pharma deal shuts down seante debate on healthcare

    dorgan's not shrugging

    he's shivering

    ie, freezing

    tick tock...

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    Re: Pharma deal shuts down seante debate on healthcare

    I have been prescribed Plavix to help keep me alive and the cost per pill at the closest Walmart is $4.66 per pill right here in Riverside County California. The evry same drug can be purchased over the internet for $1.00 per pill bring the monthly cost from $140.00 down to $30.

    This is only one drug still protected by a patent so there is no such thing a generic yet.

    Don't try to give me the lie about how the Pharmaceutical Company has to charge more here to recoup the cost of research and development and because they are forced to sell cheaper in other cCountries, that is DAMN lie.

    They are making a profit on the cheaper pills they sell in Canada and in Mexico and elsewhere or they would not be selling them there at all. That's just common sense.

    We are being price gouged

    The only thing good to come out of Socialized medicine is the cost of medicine but it does not have to a socialized system to force the costs down. It takes people in places of authority to want to to actually help people instead of lining their own pockets, and or garnering favor for campaign contributions, waste fraud and or abuse.

    We lack leadership and it comes fro m both sides of the isles in both Houses of Congress and the White House.

    This is only one other example of ways costs of Health Care can be forced down without the "Obama I Don't Really Care About Your Health Kill Granny Plan."

    Wake up Democrats and Republicans and you so-called Libertarians, and Greenies and all the rest. We need fundamental change and it needs to be in the direction of honesty, which is the one thing all parties lack in huge quantities.

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