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    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Don't try to give me the lie about how the Pharmaceutical Company has to charge more here to recoup the cost of research and development and because they are forced to sell cheaper in other cCountries, that is DAMN lie.

    Any company whose business model depends on direct or indirect taxpayer subsidies or protectionism for the company's profitability is a flawed business model. Overall consumer welfare is damaged when customers are punished by government-protected higher prices that would not prevail in open competition.

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    Re: Pharma deal shuts down seante debate on healthcare

    i would like to report (real quickly, before the football game) to my dp friends and colleagues from all aisles what went down on the sunday talks today

    some of you are gonna hear spin in these following words, but there really isn't any

    either way

    the discussions today were dominated by topics---

    1. the deficit---centered around the raising of the debt ceiling and the passage of the 1.1T spender saturday with its 10% increase in congressional and cabinet spending

    2. banks---focusing on obama's summit with the too bigs tomorrow, what's he gonna say/do, how will they react

    3. regulatory reform---moving its way thru the house and on up, what's it mean

    4. a stimulus report card---promises made vs results

    5. a move on the part of kent conrad and judd gregg to do something along the lines of graham/rudman, hem in spending and borrowing at the congressional level

    6. a similar move on the part of "freshmen dems" in the senate, specifically concerning health care, which is sposed to attract biz and republican support

    7. the cms report which testified that the most recent reid merge (before the medicare expansion to 55) bends the cost curve up a quarter T

    8. health care polls---universally below 40 and successively sinking (there are 4 polls, fox, cnn, quin and ras, and in each instance the more recent is a couple points lower than its predecessor)

    9. me: the tone on all these shows is rather dull (lawrence summers), quiet, calm, a little boring, very hi falutin---cuzza the extremely fiduciary aspects under discussion---it feels like i'm reading the new york times

    10. me: a very broad transfer of party leadership away from the white house and towards congress, very broad, vague, not called out, kinda underlying, kinda thematic

    11. the issue of uncertainty---biz and LENDERS are afraid to move cuz they are in the dark about what's really going on

    12. oslo---the speech was just about universally applauded, i have been saying it was a fine speech but fully false, i must admit (no suprise) that i don't believe i saw anyone go there, all accepted it as presidential and none questioned its authenticity (they're wrong, everyone here knows it, that speech made in oslo was NOT the obama you and i all have come to know in the last year), but either way...

    13. health care

    14. tiger

    and that's the point

    as i said clearly (forgive me for pointing it out) exactly 22 days ago when the ny times ran that front page piece prophesying a SERVICE on the debt, MERE INTEREST alone, to approach ONE TRIL PER YEAR by about 2016 or 17...

    as was apparent 3 weeks ago, the DEFICIT was soon to ECLIPSE health care as the #1 domestic issue overarching our political landscape

    "by january, you won't be able to say 'health care' without americans hearing 'deficit,'" were my exact words---i don't cite them for a childish "i was right" moment, but instead merely to show how transparently obvious and real are these developments

    on abc's panel (will, huffington, podesta, ed gillespie, april ryan from urban radio---the lady gibbs last week told to "calm down, take a breath, that's what i tell my son,"): i believe it's fair to say there was consensus that obama's gonna have trouble influencing the bankers

    and there was a general sense of a "lack of urgency"

    both will and ms huff used those words

    huff added---it's all "meaningless"

    urban radio stood up for black unemployment, nothing's really been done for us

    when it came to pelosi/obama's push against wall street, i would characterize all the conversants (john king of cnn, senators thune and warner) as uneducated

    i would say they don't understand at all what's in the legislation

    however, when it comes to rubber-meeting-road politics, i think most of us understand that health care still trumps all

    and that's why i write this, to try to inform my friends about what's going on TODAY concerning obama's make-or-break

    that cms was discussed as part of the general deficit/budget/spending/jobs discussion instead of as a major development in obamacare is very revealing

    that cms had to be taken up there insteada here because health care was hardly addressed is the same

    a cnn underline: "health care and afghanistan splits dems"

    (shoulda read "split dems")

    cnn underline: "primary care shortages hit communities hard"

    cnn's final segment (state of the union with john king) went to denver to meet with young medics who tell the direful disincentives to be a gp as opposed to a specialist

    abc's stephy showed a clip of whip durbin ON THE FLOOR, answering john mccain's anger---"i'm in the dark almost as much as he is, and i'm in leadership"

    but the biggie i saved for last (and it's really my main reason for reporting, here):

    chris wallace, son of 60 minutes mike, reports that a leading dem senator told him on fns that SHE will be a "definite no" on health care if costs are not controlled

    that leading dem senator (drum roll, please)---



    that's pretty BIG

    actually, ever since that terrible townhall she ran in southeast mri in the summer when they literally tore the poor woman to shreds, she was lucky to get outta that hi school gym alive...

    me: reid on tuesday nite lied to em about the 60

    what's that gonna do to his credibility moving forward...

    into january...

    and february
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It appears Pharmaceutical lobby has Obama and some democrats in their pocket.

    Pharma Deal Shuts Down Senate Health Care Debate

    The White House, aided by Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), is working hard to crush an amendment being pushed by Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) to allow for the reimportation of pharmaceutical drugs from Canada, Senate sources tell the Huffington Post.

    As a result, the Senate health care debate has come to a standstill: Carper has placed a "hold" on Dorgan's amendment and in response, Dorgan tells HuffPost, he'll object to any other amendments being considered before he gets a vote on his.

    Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) is a lead co-sponsor of Dorgan's amendment. She said she's confident that, as of now, they have the votes they need. "I think that's why we're not having this vote," she said, smiling. The amendment has the support of a number of other Republicans, including Sens. John McCain (Ariz.), Charles Grassley (Iowa), John Thune (S.D.) and David Vitter (La.).

    Opponents of the amendment worry that many more Republicans may join the amendment not because they agree with it, but because they want to put the health care bill in jeopardy.

    So the White House and the drug makers are trying to persuade as many Democrats as they can to oppose the amendment despite their previous support for it.

    "I don't think that's going to get my vote," Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) said when HuffPost asked about the reimportation amendment. He said that even though he is a supporter of reimportation, he is concerned that if it passes it could blow everything up.

    "I'm not messing around with anything without 60 votes. Nothing," he said. "And I'm a co-sponsor of the amendment."

    The dispute within the Democratic caucus is becoming personal. "Of course, with Dorgan, it's all about Dorgan," a senior Democratic aide told HuffPost, complaining that Dorgan was willing to blow up health care reform for his own glory.
    DEMOCRATS in the pockets of BIG PHARMACEUTICAL. Hahahah, how ironic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Should not be a big shocker tbh. After all big Pharma had the last President in their pocket also so /shrug.
    Big Anything has everyone in their pockets, amirite?

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