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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

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    It doesn't matter what most people think. If it's not capitalism, then it's not capitalism. Deal with the issue, not with a strawman.
    You are confusing description and prescription. To your peril.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

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    You are confusing description and prescription. To your peril.
    No. If you want to argue against capitalism, argue against capitalism. Don't argue against a mixed economy and call it capitalism.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

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    No. If you want to argue against capitalism, argue against capitalism. Don't argue against a mixed economy and call it capitalism.
    Still doing it.

    Good luck with convincing everyone that most white is actually gray.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Still doing it.

    Good luck with convincing everyone that most white is actually gray.
    It's a shame that I have to convince people that a logical fallacy is actually a logical fallacy.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It's a shame that I have to convince people that a logical fallacy is actually a logical fallacy.
    This isn't about fallacies. It's about language. If you insist that language follow pure logical rules, you're going to fail to get your point across.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

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    No. If you want to argue against capitalism, argue against capitalism. Don't argue against a mixed economy and call it capitalism.
    that's my biggest problem with the "oh the free market has failed healthcare" line. over half of US dollars on healthcare are spent by the government, and it heavily regulates the other half, and we have a free market?

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that's my biggest problem with the "oh the free market has failed healthcare" line. over half of US dollars on healthcare are spent by the government, and it heavily regulates the other half, and we have a free market?
    According to misterman, it's close enough.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    According to misterman, it's close enough.
    Massive straw man.

    I never said anything is close enough. Some things are indeed close enough, but I never gave a number.

    You, however, said you have no tolerance at all. You're the one who thinks white is gray if it contains .00001% of black.

    Good luck with that.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Massive straw man.

    I never said anything is close enough. Some things are indeed close enough, but I never gave a number.

    You, however, said you have no tolerance at all. You're the one who thinks white is gray if it contains .00001% of black.

    Good luck with that.
    I'm saying don't blame capitalism if you have an economy that isn't capitalist, especially if those parts that failed have government intervention (housing!).

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I'm saying don't blame capitalism if you have an economy that isn't capitalist, especially if those parts that failed have government intervention (housing!).
    No, you're saying a system with even the tiniest deviation from capitalism isn't capitalist. Which is why you're not getting anywhere, because you're trying to apply rules to language that just don't work.

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