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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    Then they'd also realize that the money is doing something else, too. Not just making jobs.
    that's a good point. they are also using taxpayer money to pay off Hillary's campaign debts.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Let's get something straight - Yahoo answers is just not a source, period. Anyone can post there, just like this forum.

    This is a side issue. I don't want to get dragged into it. I don't have time. You may conclude whatever you wish.
    I wish that you'd conclude that your confidence in the the numbers that the administration is throwing out there about saved jobs is baseless. Instead you want to play the part of ignorance and just hope that they're right. Not exactly the intellectually superior position.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I wish that you'd conclude that your confidence in the the numbers that the administration is throwing out there about saved jobs is baseless. Instead you want to play the part of ignorance and just hope that they're right. Not exactly the intellectually superior position.
    It's hardly intellectually superior to conclude they are baseless based on no information either, huh?

    If you want to go find out the details of how they collect job data and prove it's worthless, nobody is stopping you. Instead, you keep asking me to go find out. Go look it up and make your case. Until you do that, you really ought to have nothing more to say about it.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's hardly intellectually superior to conclude they are baseless based on no information either, huh?
    The fact that such a "transparent" administration isn't telling you how they're getting these numbers should send up warning signs all over the place.

    If you want to go find out the details of how they collect job data and prove it's worthless, nobody is stopping you. Instead, you keep asking me to go find out. Go look it up and make your case. Until you do that, you really ought to have nothing more to say about it.
    Yeah, far be it from me to ask someone how they got their numbers.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The fact that such a "transparent" administration isn't telling you how they're getting these numbers should send up warning signs all over the place.
    How do you know they aren't telling you how they are getting the numbers? Have you checked, or are you just assuming?

    Yeah, far be it from me to ask someone how they got their numbers.
    I didn't have any numbers in the first place. That's the point.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    How do you know they aren't telling you how they are getting the numbers? Have you checked, or are you just assuming?

    I didn't have any numbers in the first place. That's the point.
    Recovery.gov, where you keep telling me the method is, has the numbers. I keep looking for the method there, but I can't find it. Can you?

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Well let's try and find that number using this technique.

    Well maybe they take the average for jobs lost + jobs created and put it in with total number of jobs and call it a day. Find as many job related statistics as you can and try and fill in an equation to maybe get a better idea?

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Recovery.gov, where you keep telling me the method is, has the numbers. I keep looking for the method there, but I can't find it. Can you?
    I didn't say the method was there, I said they had lots of information about it in general and you might find the method there.

    Fine, I'll go get your research started. Here, this took 0.30 seconds to find on Google:

    Web Site Begins Collecting Data From Stimulus Grant Recipients - washingtonpost.com

    Web Site Collects Data on Stimulus
    Grant Recipients Must File Reports

    By Ed O'Keefe
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, August 21, 2009

    As Obama administration officials traveled the country this week announcing the distribution of hundreds of millions of dollars in new economic stimulus grants, a government Web site began accepting the spending and jobs data from grant recipients that will provide the first fact-based progress report about the economic recovery efforts.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Amazing, they were given money. Where is the method?

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Amazing, they were given money. Where is the method?
    "a government Web site began accepting the spending and jobs data from grant recipients"

    Do I have to do the reading for you too?

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