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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You know something about it?
    Not much, but a little. The point is that everyone uses government stats all the time, including you. Yet suddenly someone is claiming the stats aren't reliable when they don't like them.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Now I have to explain government statistics research methods to you?

    Do you consider all government stats to be unreliable? If so, don't ever quote them again.
    For this one yes, I'd really like to here how the government gets those stats.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    On the contrary, are you saying that banks cannot have more than the required reserves?
    Not at all and I understand why they are.

    Banks do have the ability to make serious profit, and have considerable amounts of assets. Fed buys bonds... reserves dry up, end of story.
    But who is buying treasury bonds these days?

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    For this one yes, I'd really like to here how the government gets those stats.
    recovery.gov has alot of info about it.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    recovery.gov has alot of info about it.
    Then it should be easy for you to explain to us how they got those stats of "jobs saved."

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Then it should be easy for you to explain to us how they got those stats of "jobs saved."
    I never claimed to know exactly how they do it. I know it's not exactly difficult, or much different from the way they collect any other stats. But I don't have the details and never claimed to. You can look those up on recovery.gov.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I never claimed to know exactly how they do it. I know it's not exactly difficult, or much different from the way they collect any other stats. But I don't have the details and never claimed to. You can look those up on recovery.gov.
    It's not difficult, but you don't know how they do it. In other words, you have no idea how they do it.

    I looked up "how to calculate saved jobs" and this was the first link I found. It might be pretty interesting for you to look at.

    How is OBAMA calculating "SAVED" jobs? - Yahoo! Answers

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It's not difficult, but you don't know how they do it. In other words, you have no idea how they do it.
    No, I have a basic idea. They collect the data from the agencies that handle the stimulus money and the recipients themselves. In other words, just how you'd expect, and just how they do it with many other data sources, including ones you've probably never questioned.

    I looked up "how to calculate saved jobs" and this was the first link I found. It might be pretty interesting for you to look at.

    How is OBAMA calculating "SAVED" jobs? - Yahoo! Answers
    You realize that Yahoo Answers is where anyone, no matter what they know or don't know, can answer questions right? In other words, it's worthless.

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, I have a basic idea. They collect the data from the agencies that handle the stimulus money and the recipients themselves. In other words, just how you'd expect, and just how they do it with many other data sources, including ones you've probably never questioned.
    I know how they can come up with jobs created. That's pretty easy and I don't question that. I want you to tell me how they come up with jobs saved.

    You realize that Yahoo Answers is where anyone, no matter what they know or don't know, can answer questions right? In other words, it's worthless.
    Uh oh, I think I spy a cop-out. Do you have anything better?

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    Re: LA Times: Obama stimulus spending: $246,436 per new job

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I know how they can come up with jobs created. That's pretty easy and I don't question that. I want you to tell me how they come up with jobs saved.
    I explained that, at least my limited understanding. If someone is about to be laid off, but they aren't when a government contract comes along from the stimulus, that's a job saved. But I'm no expert and never claimed to be.

    Uh oh, I think I spy a cop-out. Do you have anything better?
    Seriously, dude, I'm not here to defend my knowledge of this. I never copped in in the first place. I don't know any more than what I've said already. Sorry I can't help you any further.

    But Yahoo Answers is still a worthless source. Anyone can post there. You could and so could I.

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