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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    As an expert witness can you explain the finding of a knife with the victim's dna on the blade, which was found at the flat of Knox's boyfriend, where the victim had never been?
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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    As an expert witness can you explain the finding of a knife with the victim's dna on the blade, which was found at the flat of Knox's boyfriend, where the victim had never been?
    I have wondered that myself.

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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    As an expert witness can you explain the finding of a knife with the victim's dna on the blade, which was found at the flat of Knox's boyfriend, where the victim had never been?
    No, but these guys can:

    DNA evidence in the trial of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, Perugia, Italy

    The kitchen knife:

    The prosecution claims that DNA testing shows the presence of Amanda’s DNA on the handle and Meredith’s DNA on the blade. The following information pertains to the knife:

    • The knife was selected from among several knives in the kitchen drawer of Raffaele’s apartment. It was the only knife collected from the kitchen, although it had no visible stains or notable characteristics.

    • Testimony has been given in court that this knife could not have made two of the three slash wounds to the victim’s neck, but that a smaller knife could have made all three wounds. Furthermore, this knife did not match a bloody knife imprint left on the bed.

    • An extremely sensitive chemical test for the presumptive presence of blood, tetramethyl benzidine (TMB, a chemical capable of detecting at least a 1:10,000 dilution of blood), was negative for both the handle and blade.

    • A swabbing of the handle revealed the presence of Amanda’s DNA. This is not unexpected since she had used the kitchen knives to prepare food at Raffaele’s apartment.

    • A swabbing of the center portion of the flat edge of the blade was taken for further analysis. This sample tested negative for blood with TMB.

    �� An extremely low level, partial DNA profile was developed for the blade swabbing using the Identifiler kit. The alleles detected were consistent with the DNA of the victim. The highest peak in the electropherogram was approximately 100 relative fluorescence units (rfu), while 21 of the 29 peaks that were detected and labeled as alleles fell between 20 and 50 rfu.

    �� This DNA does not originate from blood. A highly sensitive chemical test for blood was negative, and it is unlikely that all chemically detectable traces of blood could be removed while retaining sufficient cells to produce a DNA profile consistent with the victim.

    �� Numerous samples were collected from the crime scene that were tested and shown to contain high quantities of the victim’s DNA. There exists the real possibility that the low level, partial profile attributed to the knife blade is a result of unintended transfer in the laboratory during sample handling. Numerous examples of this have been documented by other laboratories.

    �� Electronic (.fsa) files that would allow independent analysis of the data have not been disclosed.

    �� Neither the extraction nor amplification of the low template DNA from the kitchen knife blade was duplicated. The test can not be reproduced as the swab and DNA extract were consumed during testing.

    Conclusion about the kitchen knife:

    No credible scientific evidence has been presented to associate this kitchen knife with the murder of Meredith Kercher.

    Signed by:

    Elizabeth A. Johnson, Ph.D., Forensic Biology/DNA expert

    Greg Hampikian, Ph.D., Professor and Director of the Idaho Innocence Project, Department of Biology Boise State University

    Dan Krane, chief executive officer and chairman of the board of directors, Forensic Bioinformatics

    Jason Gilder, systems engineer, Forensic Bioinformatics

    Joy Halverson, DVM, director, Zoogen Services

    Laurence D. Mueller, professor of ecology and evolutionary biology, University of California, Irvine

    Marc Taylor, president, Technical Associates

    Rick Staub, Ph.D., director of laboratory operations, Orchid Cellmark, Dallas, Texas

    Simon Ford, Ph.D., Lexigen Science and Law Consultants


    http://www.friendsofamanda.org/files...d11.19.09b.pdf

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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No, but these guys can:
    An interesting read. Are all the signed contributors in the 'friends of Amanda' club?

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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    As an expert witness can you explain the finding of a knife with the victim's dna on the blade, which was found at the flat of Knox's boyfriend, where the victim had never been?
    It wasn't the murder weapon, there was no blood, and there wasn't enough DNA to be a conclusive match, so why does it need explanation?
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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    "Prosecutors claimed that Knox's DNA was found on the handle of the likely murder weapon – a kitchen knife found in Sollecito's house – and that traces of Kercher's DNA were on the blade."

    Amanda Knox guilty of murdering Meredith Kercher | World news | guardian.co.uk

    If this is disproved 'in court' she may stand a chance. The media on both sides of the Atlantic are polarising opinion, lets hope the retrial clarifies one way or another.

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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    I didn't follow this case at all in the media, but I have read a couple threads about it today and checked out several links that were posted. From what I've read, this is a travesty of justice.

    The prosecution has no forensic evidence, a bizzare theory for motive with little to nothing backing it up (at least I haven't seen much evidence to support their theory), and the methodology used by the police, investigators, and prosecuter's office has all been questionable at best. Most of their so called case amounts to character assassination.

    In the threads I've read here, no one from the "she's guilty" crowd has been able to offer any tangible evidence supporting their case. It's all be "gut feelings" or "evidence" that clearly has been shown to have room for reasonable doubt and then some.

    I'm really shocked by the Italian legal system. I know no system is perfect and we can point out travesties of justice in any legal system, but for such a high profile case to be so poorly handled does not speak well for the Italian legal system.
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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    Okay, the Italian side of me is getting a little miffed at the constant bashing of the Italian justice system. As I said in other threads, the system is certainly not perfect, but it does have a lot of self-correcting processes. A conviction in Italy is easily over-turned and given the many flaws in the Kercher murder case, I have no doubt that both Amanda and Raffaele will eventually be cleared on subsequent appeals.

    Secondly, understandable as your outrage may be, those of you railing against Italy and a system that you are not familiar with aren't doing Amanda any favors. Amanda herself, undoubtedly guided by her lawyers advice, is trying to calm the increasingly bitter attacks currently going back and forth across the Atlantic. If you really want to help her, attacking the very system that will eventually decide her fate is not the answer.

    Here, just a few links as food for thought. Read them without prejudice:

    Amanda Knox: There's nothing 'Third World' about Italian justice | Home | The First Post

    Amanda Knox: I have faith in Italian justice - Times Online

    Why we shouldn’t scream ‘Italian job’ over Amanda Knox - Gail Walker, Columnists - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    An interesting read. Are all the signed contributors in the 'friends of Amanda' club?

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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Okay, the Italian side of me is getting a little miffed at the constant bashing of the Italian justice system. As I said in other threads, the system is certainly not perfect, but it does have a lot of self-correcting processes. A conviction in Italy is easily over-turned and given the many flaws in the Kercher murder case, I have no doubt that both Amanda and Raffaele will eventually be cleared on subsequent appeals.

    Secondly, understandable as your outrage may be, those of you railing against Italy and a system that you are not familiar with aren't doing Amanda any favors. Amanda herself, undoubtedly guided by her lawyers advice, is trying to calm the increasingly bitter attacks currently going back and forth across the Atlantic. If you really want to help her, attacking the very system that will eventually decide her fate is not the answer.

    Here, just a few links as food for thought. Read them without prejudice:

    Amanda Knox: There's nothing 'Third World' about Italian justice | Home | The First Post

    Amanda Knox: I have faith in Italian justice - Times Online

    Why we shouldn’t scream ‘Italian job’ over Amanda Knox - Gail Walker, Columnists - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
    One redeeming quality about the Italian justice system is their appeals process. Unlike America, questions of fact and evidence can be used as the basis for the appeal, whereas American appeals are restricted to questions of law only. This bodes extremely well for Amanda and Raffaele. I'm quite confident they will be acquitted.

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