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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Obviously someone thought there was enough evidence to convict her. The fact that your opinion differs is, as I've stated several times, irrelevant. Justice is subjective, not objective. Your definition of justice does not apply to everyone.
    The only reason that she was convicted is because people didn't like it when she kissed her boyfriend after the murder.

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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The EU has no authority to overturn an Italian criminal court's decision.
    The EU court of human rights does have the authority and power to overrule decisions made by countries or courts.

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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The only reason that she was convicted is because people didn't like it when she kissed her boyfriend after the murder.

    And no justice is not subjective. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. There is no grey area.
    Right and wrong aren't objective either.
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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    she is innocent.
    Like has been said many times in this thread why did you not fly to Italy with that vital piece of evidence that would of exonerated her from Murder? You could of gone travelled with Etheral so as not to get lonely on the trip

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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    IMO, even as I have concerns from what I have read about the process that has taken place and recognize that there are legitimate disputes over the DNA evidence, I believe any diplomatic efforts should wait until the appeals process has been completed.

    Courts in any country, including the U.S., have made errors in the past, with those errors being reversed on appeal. Right now, it is too soon to say with any degree of certainty that the Italian verdict was, in fact, an error, though there is reason for concern.

    An attempted diplomatic end-run around legal process would be premature and would set a precedent that would encourage greater diplomatic interference with U.S. court decisions prior to appeals. After all, if the U.S. does not allow the appeals process to work abroad in a democratic state, why should other states whose governments have concerns about an initial verdict in the U.S., show any greater willingness to wait for the U.S. appeals process to be completed. The end result of such a situation would be the transformation of legal disputes (fairly frequent in occurrence) into diplomatic ones (less frequent than legal disputes, but with broader interests/higher stakes involved). I don't believe that outcome would be beneficial in the larger context of international relations.
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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    I read the Liberal posts in this thread and it really makes me wonder what the problem really was with Gitmo.
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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The EU court of human rights does have the authority and power to overrule decisions made by countries or courts.
    I have never heard of the European Court of Human Rights intervening in questions of fact in criminal cases. Do you have any examples of this?
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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Like has been said many times in this thread why did you not fly to Italy with that vital piece of evidence that would of exonerated her from Murder? You could of gone travelled with Etheral so as not to get lonely on the trip

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    And like has already been explained to you time and time again (which you've chosen to ignore), defendants should NEVER be obligated to prove their innocence. The burden of proof is on the prosecution, and there was NO evidence linking her to the murder.

    Please cite the evidence that you believe proves she committed murder. I'll wait.
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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    Let's take a look at all of the "evidence" the prosecution cited that supposedly proves Knox and Sollecito committed murder:

    Falsely accusing her boss - This theory was concocted by the police and thrust upon Knox during her 14-hour interrogation. Eventually she told them what they wanted to hear, as many people would after being subjected to harsh interrogation techniques. Strength of evidence: Very low
    Her behavior after the murder (doing cartwheels, smiling in the courtroom, etc) - People handle stress differently. Since murderers don't typically do cartwheels or smile in court, it in no way indicates guilt. Strength of evidence: Very low
    The CCTV camera showing her entering the apartment - Never happened. This is completely false. Strength of evidence: Nil
    The broken window - In no way specifically implicates Knox or Sollecito. If the prosecution's fake break-in theory is correct, all it proves is that SOMEONE staged it, not that Knox and Sollecito specifically did. Strength of evidence: Nil
    Sollecito's DNA on the bra strap - Was left at the crime scene for SIX WEEKS before it was discovered. Investigators used no gloves or protected it in any way. Strength of evidence: Nil
    The knife - Was not the murder weapon, and there was not enough DNA on it for a conclusive match. Strength of evidence: Nil
    The prosecution's sex-game-gone-wrong theory - Concocted by an occultist blogger who claims to speak with the dead, of whom the prosecutor is a big fan. He has used the exact same implausible theory in other cases. Strength of evidence: Nil
    The DNA at the murder scene - All Guede's and Kircher's. None from Sollecito or Knox was found. Strength of evidence: Actually exonerates them

    So the only things even REMOTELY resembling evidence were her behavior after the fact...and even that is merely strange, not particularly incriminating.
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    Re: Amanda Knox - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I have never heard of the European Court of Human Rights intervening in questions of fact in criminal cases. Do you have any examples of this?
    I have examples of the EUCoHR over ruling countries decisions
    BBC News - Judges overrule Germany in custody case

    France Overruled on Gay Adoption - TIME

    EUCoHR does have the power to overrule decisions and it not only binds all council members but sets a precedent which affects all courts but why would they? It is one person. It has no widespread consequences to the 27 countries of the European Union or the 47 council members.
    Why would it get involved in a insignificant murder case? As far as i'm concerned, their system has found her guilty. She can appeal with that system
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