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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    If you had information that would have proved her innocence, why didn't you fly to Italy to give testimony? Or are you just stating an opinion?
    No one should ever have to prove their innocence for anything. The prosecution had no compelling evidence that she committed murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon
    Justice isn't an objective thing, it's subjective. I realize that you think she's innocent, but you need to realize that that's irrelevant. The Italian judicial system found her guilty, that's justice. The fact that it's not your version of justice means nothing. The only way that an injustice could have been done is if the Italian judicial system did not follow its own laws. As long as they followed their own laws and still found her guilty, then she's guilty and that's the end of the story.
    It is an ENORMOUS injustice whenever an innocent person is sent to prison, regardless of whether the laws of the legal proceedings were followed. What you are essentially saying is that no one has the right to complain about anything that occurs in another country, as long as they're following their own laws. Whether or not the government dotted all the I's and crossed the T's on the paperwork is irrelevant to the fact that she is innocent.
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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Again, if you had proof that she was innocent why didn't you fly to Italy and give testimony to that fact?
    Since when is a suspect expected to prove their innocence?

    Here's the more important question, one I'm sure you'll dodge or ignore; what evidence is there that she's guilty?

    I suspect though, that you're just stating your opinion, which as I already explained, is irrelevant.
    Based upon the facts of the case and the evidence against her, there is absolutely no reason to believe Amanda Knox committed the murder. If you actually want to discuss the specifics of the case I'd be happy to accommodate you.

    Also, you didn't answer my question:

    Is it justice when Iran executes homosexuals for being gay?

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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Since when is a suspect expected to prove their innocence?
    I'm sure in some justice systems this is the status quo. That doesn't make it wrong. And even in systems where the burden of proof is on the prosecution, exactly to what degree they are required to prove guilt is different in different places.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Here's the more important question, one I'm sure you'll dodge or ignore; what evidence is there that she's guilty?
    As I said earlier, I'm not very knowledgeable about the particulars of this case. I truly don't know what evidence of her guilt was offered at her trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Based upon the facts of the case and the evidence against her, there is absolutely no reason to believe Amanda Knox committed the murder.
    Obviously someone thought there was enough evidence to convict her. The fact that your opinion differs is, as I've stated several times, irrelevant. Justice is subjective, not objective. Your definition of justice does not apply to everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Also, you didn't answer my question:

    Is it justice when Iran executes homosexuals for being gay?
    Not in my mind, but others feel differently.
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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm sure in some justice systems this is the status quo. That doesn't make it wrong. And even in systems where the burden of proof is on the prosecution, exactly to what degree they are required to prove guilt is different in different places.
    Why isn't it wrong? Do you have an actual reason, or are you just a nihilist?

    As I said earlier, I'm not very knowledgeable about the particulars of this case. I truly don't know what evidence of her guilt was offered at her trial.
    There wasn't a single piece of probative evidence against Amanda Knox.

    Of course, this doesn't matter, since everyone has their own special definition of justice...

    Not in my mind, but others feel differently.
    Who cares if others feel differently? If an autistic child told you clouds were made of marshmallows would that make their composition a matter of subjectivity? Of course not. We know that clouds are not made of marshmallows, just as we know it's wrong to kill people because they are homosexuals.

    Either way, none of this is really relevant to the thread topic. We can debate whether or not she recieved a fair trial without delving into the apparent subjectivity of justice.

    Do YOU think she got a fair trial?

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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post


    I KNEW you couldn't resist.

    Tell me, which set of international laws governs the conduct of war and the categorization of participants thereof? That would be the Geneva Conventions, not the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Moreover, nothing in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights precludes the possibility of forfeiting those rights under exigent circumstances, such as those outlined by the Geneva Conventions.
    LMAO - Your sillyness continues.

    1. The 4th Geneva convention:

    "treated with humanity and, in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial."
    2. The Declaration of Human Rights:

    Article 10
    Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
    Can you please show us what part of fair trials being an universal right don't you understand?
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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Again, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that document is legally binding. Italian criminal law would still take precedence. And even if it was, that's a very bland generic statement which leaves itself up to a lot of interpretation. Just because Italy's judicial system doesn't work like ours doesn't mean it isn't fair and impartial. Like I said earlier, if you go live in a foreign country, you're subject to their laws and judicial system regardless of whether you think that system is fair or not. If you don't like that, don't go live there.
    It's trully amazing how you Libbos can't choose a standard and stick to it.
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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    LMAO - Your sillyness continues.

    1. The 4th Geneva convention:



    2. The Declaration of Human Rights:



    Can you please show us what part of fair trials being an universal right don't you understand?
    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not govern the conduct of warfare or define the terms thereof; that is the jurisdiction of the Geneva Conventions.

    KSM is not entitled to the legal protections outlined in the Geneva Conventions (like a trial) because he is an unlawful combatant.

    Is there something about this that confuses you?

    P.S. - A fair trial, in this context, is a human right, not a universal right.

    Re: Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post


    What you are essentially saying is that no one has the right to complain about anything that occurs in another country, as long as they're following their own laws. Whether or not the government dotted all the I's and crossed the T's on the paperwork is irrelevant to the fact that she is innocent.
    Those same people have no problem allowing other countries to bitch about what goes on in the United States.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's trully amazing how you Libbos can't choose a standard and stick to it.
    Please refrain from these kinds of attacks. I'd like to stay on topic.

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    Re: Amanda Know - Railroaded

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Please refrain from these kinds of attacks. I'd like to stay on topic.
    It wasn't an attack, it was an observation. Stop being picayune. Thanks in advance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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