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Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

It's an ugly custody dispute.

World Net Daily said:
The dispute is over Jenkins' demands for visitation and/or custody of Isabella, with whom she has neither a blood nor an adoptive relationship.

Someone needs to shoot this moron in the face. If Jenkins was Miller's civil partner-- read "wife"-- when Isabella was born then Isabella is also her daughter. There's no more "adoption" necessary here than when a man marries a woman pregnant from a previous relationship.
 
This quote is particularly bothersome to me...

Please familiarize yourself with the fathers rights movement and their war on women
 
Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

I lol'd. Hard.


Everyone's thoughts on this impending ****storm?

I hope you tempered your laughter with the knowledge that there is a child caught in the crosshairs of this 'impending ****storm'.

Granted, there is a point of law that needs to be settled but let's keep in mind that an innocent child is involved in a struggle between two adults and their respective ideological suppported.

My guess is that it will be very hard to overcome birth mom's position. States issue differing custody decisions all of the time. I guess this was inevitable....
 
This quote is particularly bothersome to me...

Thirteen years ago I walked into a courtroom and was told by my child's court appointed attorney, "...you are a man. You have no business raising a two year old girl." When asked if he was familiar with the case, at my insistence, he was finally forced to admit that he had not read the briefs and had only surface knowledge of the issues. A NYS fathers rights group was very helpful to me. At the time, the statement that was made to me reflected common sentiment.
 
This quote is particularly bothersome to me...

No kidding. But what would you expect from a site called "Queerty"? How many men on that site have ever been in a custody battle with a woman?
 
No kidding. But what would you expect from a site called "Queerty"? How many men on that site have ever been in a custody battle with a woman?

Point taken.

But still, its just the fact people even think like that regardless. I thought our complaints about fatherhood was supposed to be absent fathers, not men who still want to be in their kids life beyond just sending a check every few weeks.
 
But still, its just the fact people even think like that regardless. I thought our complaints about fatherhood was supposed to be absent fathers, not men who still want to be in their kids life beyond just sending a check every few weeks.

Far as the courts are concerned, that's all a man is in a child's life. And that's exactly how some people like it.
 
Welcome to the wonderful world of gay "marrige" or civil unions, and all it's lovely complications.

The story says there is substantial proof that Jenkins was largely uninvolved in the child's life until she recently decided to start kicking up a fuss. Jenkins is no kin of the child by blood or by adoption.

This is where having gay civil unions gets complicated: one partner got impregnated by artificial insemination. The other partner had no genetic code involved, did not legally adopt the child, and apparently was not much involved in the child's early life.

Now all the sudden she's decided to kick up a fuss about how the child is being raised.

Okay, I can see a court allowing her visitation maybe, IF she had been acting as a parent up to that point (which apparently she had not), but taking the child away from the birth-mother and giving it to her? On what freaking basis?? Because the child is being raised Christian and she doesn't like it. :roll:

Frankly this smells like "act of revenge" to me.

Well lovely, now we have yet another divisive, polarizing issue with which to tear the citizenry of the nation apart. :doh
 
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Welcome to the wonderful world of gay "marrige" or civil unions, and all it's lovely complications.

The only real complication when it comes to legal issues dealing with gay marriages or civil unions comes up when one state refuses to respect a marriage or union recognized in another state.

The story says there is substantial proof that Jenkins was largely uninvolved in the child's life until she recently decided to start kicking up a fuss.

The story is on WND. Aside from that, there's no description as to why Jenkins was largely uninvolved. Maybe her ex wouldn't let her neat the kid.

Jenkins is no kin of the child by blood or by adoption.

Any child born to the first party of a marriage should be legally considered the child of the married couple unless and until the second party decides to dispute the ancestry of that child.

This is where having gay civil unions gets complicated: one partner got impregnated by artificial insemination. The other partner had no genetic code involved, did not legally adopt the child, and apparently was not much involved in the child's early life.

We actually don't know about Jenkin's involvement. We have the word of WND and, I assume, the ex, who has a vested interest in minimizing Jenkins' involvement in the child's life.
 
Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

I lol'd. Hard.


Everyone's thoughts on this impending ****storm?

It seems that there was a court order mandating visitation, that this order was disobeyed, resulting in the custody transfer.

While I'm sure the legal issue will resolve itself, here's where I think the ****storm will brew from:

The relationship terminated when Miller became a Christian and quit the lesbian lifestyle.

WTF you can't just *quit, you were "born that way", remember? Now get back in the kitchen and make your wife a goddamn sammich!!

How many other self-professed born-homosexuals are going to suddenly decide that they weren't born that way after all?

This is another example of a marriage that shouldn't have happened in the first place.
 
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WTF you can't just *quit, you were "born that way", remember? Now get back in the kitchen and make your wife a goddamn sammich!!

How many other self-professed born-homosexuals are going to suddenly decide that they weren't born that way after all?

I'm willing to bet that the proportion of homosexuals who decide to "quit being" homosexual to all homosexuals is probably roughly the same as the proportion of people who decide they're the wrong sex, or professed heterosexuals who decide they're gay, and so on.

Confusion: It's the gift that keeps on giving.

This is another example of a marriage that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

Why?
 

They're gay. Marriage is between one man and one woman ;)

No no just mass'n with ya :mrgreen:

A couple must be on the same page religiously in order for a marriage to work, regardless of what that "page" is.

If this were a normal christian hetero couple, and one day one of them decided to become a monk, I suspect the result would be the same.

Also, first allowing yourself to mature and knowing that you are actually gay/straight before marrying is critical. How many times do we hear of some politician "discovering" he's gay, fleeing to Mexico and leaving his wife and children with the mess?

When you marry you are not your own sovereign anymore. A religious conversion after the fact must be mutual both in consent and in enthusiasm or your marriage runs the severe risk of failing.
 
I think this is great and I'm glad they live here in Virginia. Because in 2006 the state adopted the too-strict Marshall-Newman amendment that not only bans gay marriage but anything giving the same rights or benefits as marriage. And it needs to be challenged, because this could interfere with legal contracts, wills, child custody, medical directives, etc.
 
If this were a normal christian hetero couple, and one day one of them decided to become a monk, I suspect the result would be the same.

Also, first allowing yourself to mature and knowing that you are actually gay/straight before marrying is critical. How many times do we hear of some politician "discovering" he's gay, fleeing to Mexico and leaving his wife and children with the mess?

When you marry you are not your own sovereign anymore. A religious conversion after the fact must be mutual both in consent and in enthusiasm or your marriage runs the severe risk of failing.

The problem with observations like this is that we don't know nearly enough about this couple to make them.
 
Reading the OP and how they are juxtaposed, is "Christian" a gender identity, or is "Lesbian" a religious denomination?
 
Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

Can anybody tell me how either of those things are relevent to the welfare of the child?
 
I followed a WND link. I have to go shower now.

Gee, strait people have had ugly custody battles for many years, and people are surprised when gay people have one now?


I fought the curiosity about the story, and resisted the clicking on WND links :smoking:
 
I followed a WND link. I have to go shower now.

Gee, strait people have had ugly custody battles for many years, and people are surprised when gay people have one now?

Reading the OP and how they are juxtaposed, is "Christian" a gender identity, or is "Lesbian" a religious denomination?

Can anybody tell me how either of those things are relevent to the welfare of the child?

I fought the curiosity about the story, and resisted the clicking on WND links :smoking:


The conversation was going quite nicely until these 4 posts.

This thread will officially derail into partisan bickery.
 
Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

I lol'd. Hard.


Everyone's thoughts on this impending ****storm?
Good for the kid. Better to have two mommies than to be raised in a fundie cult. I'm sure many fundies are shiiting their pants over this. :lol:

I fought the curiosity about the story, and resisted the clicking on WND links
Wingnut Daily is basically a fascist/white supremacist version of the national enquirer. The site has admitted to intentional libel and settled in out of court settlements, has hosted articles which have "thanked God" for 911 because New York is a "liberal" state, have claimed that Obama had a gay affair and used hard drugs with a convicted felon, and have suggested the Holocaust was a hoax. It's closer to Stormfront than it is to Fox News (and it makes Fox News look like the Daily Kos in comparison).
 
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Wingnut Daily is basically a fascist/white supremacist version of the national enquirer. The site has admitted to intentional libel and settled in out of court settlements, has hosted articles which have "thanked God" for 911 because New York is a "liberal" state, have claimed that Obama had a gay affair and used hard drugs with a convicted felon, and have suggested the Holocaust was a hoax. It's closer to Stormfront than it is to Fox News (and it makes Fox News look like the Daily Kos in comparison).


I love these poll results from their regular REGISTERED MEMBERS. Kinda shows the mindset of the people who read their stuff regularly.



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The conversation was going quite nicely until these 4 posts.

This thread will officially derail into partisan bickery.

How is pointing out the absurdity of making a big deal out of this "partisan bickery" any more than those who are making a big deal out of something this stupid and mundane?

You might want to look up the word "irony" in the dictionary.
 
How is pointing out the absurdity of making a big deal out of this "partisan bickery" any more than those who are making a big deal out of something this stupid and mundane?

You might want to look up the word "irony" in the dictionary.

I knew someone would come back with something like that, and rightfully so.
 
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