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    Re: Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What a stupid comment. You have had repeatedly pointed out to you that it was not "A" judge, but more than one, and in more than one state. You have presented no evidence of any impropriety by the judge, or any legal question to the ruling, and yet you assume it's political, which no evidence. The problem is not with the judgment, the problem is with you, yourself trying to make it political.
    I've also stated that it's my opinion.
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    Re: Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've also stated that it's my opinion.
    With absolutely and completely no facts at all, and denying what facts there are. It could be your opinion that the world is flat, and you would be wrong, even though it's just your opinion. Posting negative comments about some one with no evidence and trying to excuse it as just your opinion is kinda low.
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    Re: Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't kow if she did, or not. So far, I've yet to see anything confirming that, either way.
    Then why do you repeatedly reference it? Why not stick with factual arguments?

    The biological mother often benefits. IMO, what we have here is a very Liberal judge--which isn't hard to believe in Vermont--has allowed his politics influence his legal decision.

    I would love to see what percentage of the gay vote he got in the last election.
    Did you read either of the links above regarding legal parenthood in Vermont? The judge there was respecting the law.

    Now, I am going to admit that I was hasty when I stated that there's nothing to see here.

    There are many red herrings being thrown around. This issue is not gay versus straight versus atheist versus Christian. Those are all big side shows, and it sounds like each parent has been deeply disrespectful of the other in those matters.

    However, there's a states' rights issue, because it has not been established whether Virginia must respect Vermont's position.

    If it makes you feel any better, I think Jenkins will lose when this gets to SCOTUS. This court has already upheld DOMA, and I don't see them turning around there.

    btw, anyone looking for a more in-depth piece about this case, there is one here. I haven't had time to do more than skim it; it's about 6 pages long.

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    Re: Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    With absolutely and completely no facts at all, and denying what facts there are. It could be your opinion that the world is flat, and you would be wrong, even though it's just your opinion. Posting negative comments about some one with no evidence and trying to excuse it as just your opinion is kinda low.
    I wasn't aware that opinions needed to be backed up by facts...

    Do you have anything to prove my opinion wrong? Other than insults, I mean.
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    Re: Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

    Quote Originally Posted by MsRetro View Post
    Then why do you repeatedly reference it? Why not stick with factual arguments?
    The fact is that there's no evidence that Jenkins ever paid child support.



    Did you read either of the links above regarding legal parenthood in Vermont? The judge there was respecting the law.
    Sure, I read it. What are Vermont's laws regarding deadbeat dads who don't pay child support?
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    Re: Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The fact is that there's no evidence that Jenkins ever paid child support.
    There is no evidence that there is not an invisible monkey sitting just behind your left shoulder. There is no evidence that Zu'ul, minion of Gozier, has not decreed that Jenkins should have the child.

    Child support has never been referenced. It's a totally irrelevant argument until something *factual* about it is.





    Sure, I read it. What are Vermont's laws regarding deadbeat dads who don't pay child support?
    I can tell you from first hand experience that, legally, child support and visitation are two separate matters.

    Miller violated a visitation order. She lost custody. Period.

    But, again, child support has never been referenced. So, this argument is irrelevant. Your feelings won't be hurt if I consider the child support segment of the convo closed, at least for me, until you can come back with actual facts, will you?

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    Re: Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

    Quote Originally Posted by MsRetro View Post
    There is no evidence that there is not an invisible monkey sitting just behind your left shoulder. There is no evidence that Zu'ul, minion of Gozier, has not decreed that Jenkins should have the child.

    Child support has never been referenced. It's a totally irrelevant argument until something *factual* about it is.







    I can tell you from first hand experience that, legally, child support and visitation are two separate matters.

    Miller violated a visitation order. She lost custody. Period.

    But, again, child support has never been referenced. So, this argument is irrelevant. Your feelings won't be hurt if I consider the child support segment of the convo closed, at least for me, until you can come back with actual facts, will you?
    I'm just forming an opinion based on the evidence at hand. All I see here is a denial of visitation by the biological mother and I've enver heard of that being grounds for remitting custody. Seen it happen a buncha times.

    You seem level headed enough to grant a person his opinion, unlike some Libbos on this board. Hopefully I haven't overestimated you.
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    Re: Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

    And hey, I found the answer on the child support:

    The women worked out an informal understanding that Isabella, then 17 months old, would live with Lisa, but Janet would pay several hundred dollars monthly in child support and visit Isabella regularly.

    <snip>

    She and Janet were initially cordial. Janet sent money, came down some weekends to stay with her parents and visited Isabella.
    It starts on the fifth page of the WAPO story.

    I'd like to thank you for the compliment, and extend my hope that you are similarly level-headed and will concede a point when evidence is provided.

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    Re: Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I said that I see no grounds to justify giving Jenkins custody of the kid.
    Once again, Jenkins did not get custody of the kid. The headline in the opening post was inaccurate, inflammatory, and bogus.
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    Re: Lesbian awarded custody of Christian's only child

    Quote Originally Posted by MsRetro View Post
    And hey, I found the answer on the child support:



    It starts on the fifth page of the WAPO story.

    I'd like to thank you for the compliment, and extend my hope that you are similarly level-headed and will concede a point when evidence is provided.
    I found evidence that child support was ordered, as well.

    Woman ordered to pay support: Rutland Herald Online
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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