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Climategate: it's all unravelling now

So you must be really pissed off about all of the fraud these "scientists" have been engaged in for 30 years, right?

:doh How do you even know they were defrauding people? I am waiting until the full investigation is completed, before I make a formal thought on it.. But you are a bithfer, so I wouldn't expect much coming from you thought. :rofl
 
:doh How do you even know they were defrauding people? I am waiting until the full investigation is completed, before I make a formal thought on it.. But you are a bithfer, so I wouldn't expect much coming from you thought. :rofl

Wow. really put me in my place.

I posted just above your last post a way that you can read these docs and emails yourself..... do that, then you can come back and apologize.

BTW…… get your facts straight… I’m a Dualer.
 
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They ought to find the group who broke into the UAE system, and give them all Nobel Prizes for Science. These guys did more for science without degrees than the guys who fudged the data.

So in other words you support criminal behavior as long as the results favor your political views. Good to know.
 
I have yet to see anything disproving Global Warming in the post. Some Scientists censored some other view points, that was wrong, but that disproves nothing.

And the "Tricks" statement was taken WAY out of context.
 
I have yet to see anything disproving Global Warming in the post. Some Scientists censored some other view points, that was wrong, but that disproves nothing.

And the "Tricks" statement was taken WAY out of context.

What these e-mails do is to show bias on the part of some very important and powerful scientists who are primary players in the theory of global warming. Scientists can't do that without casting doubt on all of their work.

There will be investigations into this. British newspapers are actually reporting on this, unlike the american mainstream press. This situation has the potential to be huge. I think it's time for a national discussion on this issue.
 
This whole thing is an embarrassment to the extremist liberals, who have counted on destroying the United States for the last 30+ years. I usually don't go in for conspiracies, but I think that this is one, actually orchestrated by academia. I think this is only the tip of the melting iceberg....and there is likely more revelations to come.
 
So in other words you support criminal behavior as long as the results favor your political views. Good to know.

The question is:

Is it a crime to expose criminal minds?

As I have said before, Modern Liberalism is a movement of "Lies and Hatred". The proof is in the media daily that we must except most of what comes out of a liberal mouth as corrupt. This is the biggest issue in our society right now, even ahead of Terrorism. Terrorist will kill individuals, but a movement of "Lies and Hatred" can destroy a nation.
 
The question is:

Is it a crime to expose criminal minds?

As I have said before, Modern Liberalism is a movement of "Lies and Hatred". The proof is in the media daily that we must except most of what comes out of a liberal mouth as corrupt. This is the biggest issue in our society right now, even ahead of Terrorism. Terrorist will kill individuals, but a movement of "Lies and Hatred" can destroy a nation.

This thread should be moved to the conspiracy theory forum. All this talk about conspiracies to destroy the U.S., liberal extremism, and all that non-sense, is just so over the top. The only people crying out about extremism are actually the extremists who are so partisan and reactionary that they can't even stop for one second to look at the facts.

CRU was ONE climate research organization. There are thousands of others worldwide, all independent but contributory to climate journals. You can't just go and say they're all wrong when they've contributed, collectively, to decades worth of research.

It's not a crime to expose criminals and I'm in favor of justice, but it's a crime to hack into computer databases. I could just as easily call this a right-wing conspiracy manufactured by the rich industry elites who want to create popular dissent against AGW research - which, by the way, has in no way been invalidated by this one incident - because the truth is becoming so widespread. But since I'm not an extremist, I have no interest in such theoretical garbage.

Fact is, those against AGW have consistently failed in providing counter evidence time after time, both on these forums and elsewhere. If this conspiracy theorist non-sense is all they have left to cling to in order to try to prop up their ideas, then all the power to them.

In the mean time, REAL research continues.
 
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They ought to find the group who broke into the UAE system, and give them all Nobel Prizes for Science. These guys did more for science without degrees than the guys who fudged the data.

Look, the Hyper-partisans have found their new Acorn!!

And Sarah Palin is now a birther. Bravo, far-right, way to drag the entire party down.
:bravo::good_job::2funny:
 
Ok so the points he made about the e-mails, are you going to address those?

To be honest, there are so many points that go unaddressed by the extremists, that I almost don't even feel the need to....

I mean, so those 2 e-mails out of the 100's are legitimately taken out of context, there are SEVERAL others which show a strong bias against opposing viewpoints (to say the least) and so on that did NOT get mainstream attention (in the US at least) that the credibility of the IPCC has been reduced to nil. It's a shame really that the only solution is to throw out the last 20 years of climate science and restart the research with a fresh group that is not thoroughly corrupt.

So in other words you support criminal behavior as long as the results favor your political views. Good to know.

Funny, it turns out that the outcome was not even the result of a hacker in the first place but of a whistleblower... there's another thread that brought this issue to light.

This whole thing is an embarrassment to the extremist liberals, who have counted on destroying the United States for the last 30+ years. I usually don't go in for conspiracies, but I think that this is one, actually orchestrated by academia. I think this is only the tip of the melting iceberg....and there is likely more revelations to come.

Thanks... people have been suspecting this conspiracy for YEARS, and now to finally have the proof of this corruption people want to throw this into 'conspiracy theory' because they can't face the fact that these guys are BUSTED, and now an investigation to see who goes to jail, who loses their jobs, and who gets reprimanded is in order.

Not to mention the books 'limits to growth' and 'the final revolution' (1968 and 1991) that both discuss how issues LIKE global warming would be used to suit a particular agenda.
 
This thread should be moved to the conspiracy theory forum. All this talk about conspiracies to destroy the U.S., liberal extremism, and all that non-sense, is just so over the top. The only people crying out about extremism are actually the extremists who are so partisan and reactionary that they can't even stop for one second to look at the facts.

You know the funny part of this... before the issue of 'cap and trade' schemes came up, there was ALEADY talk of the carbon TAXES which would follow the schemes failure.

It sounds 'over the top', but seriously, what else would you expect when the 'solution' to global warming is 'an ever increasing tax on carbon emissions' (5lbs/day -> 1500lbs/year of co2... initially 5-6$ carbon tax per year of BREATHING... 20 years later the cost might be up to 50$ a year to breath).

CRU was ONE climate research organization. There are thousands of others worldwide, all independent but contributory to climate journals. You can't just go and say they're all wrong when they've contributed, collectively, to decades worth of research.

Here's the difference :

These smaller labs are subordinate to the IPCC's findings, and the CRU was a part of this international body that was proposing the 'copenhagen treaty' which would see North American's be hit hard with a new tax payable to the IMF based on carbon emissions... that would be EVER INCREASING.

These other labs that you're defending... well, unless I'm mistaken, don't they go to the CRU for the reliable data??

Do you know how much money would be taken through this carbon tax globally??? (Hint : Al Gore is already a 'climate billionaire', and the tax isn't even in place yet)

It's not a crime to expose criminals and I'm in favor of justice, but it's a crime to hack into computer databases. I could just as easily call this a right-wing conspiracy manufactured by the rich industry elites who want to create popular dissent against AGW research - which, by the way, has in no way been invalidated by this one incident - because the truth is becoming so widespread. But since I'm not an extremist, I have no interest in such theoretical garbage.

Afterall, there was NO HACKING involved. No laws were broken in obtaining those emails.

Sorry, but if the science is based on fraud, the raw data destroyed (claimed lost), and all the other evidence... that calls into question every involved scientists life work... and would even endanger the work of fellow colleagues through this fraud.

The world was almost conned.

Fact is, those against AGW have consistently failed in providing counter evidence time after time, both on these forums and elsewhere. If this conspiracy theorist non-sense is all they have left to cling to in order to try to prop up their ideas, then all the power to them.

About 3 pages back I had the links which countered pretty well every contention of 'alarmist agw propaganda' :
- Polar bear numbers are increasing (they can swim afterall)
- many crustaceans grow thicker shells in acidic water, or were not impacted untill rediculous co2 levels were applied
- the ice caps are increasing overall
- the forests are regrowing (though cutting down old growth forest is probably still not a good things)

On EVERY POINT the legitimate science shows the AGW crowd to be nothing more then overzealous fear-mongers.... and now the chief scientists involved in the research are being exposed for the fraudster conmen that they are.

In the mean time, REAL research continues.

Yes, because there are still enough people that 'have faith' in the church of climateology even in the face of their high priests being exposed for frauds.
 
Hi BmanMcfly.

There is also the issue of the period when the "Sun" was throwing off some of the biggest solar flares on record about 8 years back. The temperatures spiked and the Liberals ran with this spike in order to gain 'Power and Money'. In the process they hijacked the environmental movement for political gain.

We must remember that most, if not all the corrupt scientist are Liberals. The question now is! How corrupt are all the other scientific findings by Liberals?

Again, this the bigger issue, that 'modern Liberalism' is an entity of corruption that only truly cares about 'Power and Money'. Every day now the proof is becoming overwhelming, and "We the People" must jump in on this time in history and put a stop to modern Liberalism as a political entity. To do this we must convince Progressives to stand alone once again, and not be political pawns of modern Liberalism.
 
Hi BmanMcfly.

There is also the issue of the period when the "Sun" was throwing off some of the biggest solar flares on record about 8 years back. The temperatures spiked and the Liberals ran with this spike in order to gain 'Power and Money'. In the process they hijacked the environmental movement for political gain.

I had brought up a similar issue some pages back, saying that the sun was responsible for the temperature of the planet, the reply was along the lines of "the sun is irrellevant for AGW because the sun doesn't add CO2 to the atmosphere"

We must remember that most, if not all the corrupt scientist are Liberals. The question now is! How corrupt are all the other scientific findings by Liberals?

I couldn't find the link again, but mr John P. Holdren is out defending the 'alarmist AGW position' in spite of 'climategate'... we can't forget that this is the man that wrote an entire book about population control, reduction, methods of mass sterilization (the 'remedy' available to would-be parents to be approuved by government), and so on...

Again, this the bigger issue, that 'modern Liberalism' is an entity of corruption that only truly cares about 'Power and Money'. Every day now the proof is becoming overwhelming, and "We the People" must jump in on this time in history and put a stop to modern Liberalism as a political entity. To do this we must convince Progressives to stand alone once again, and not be political pawns of modern Liberalism.

Yes, there is an awakening going on... this is an issue of GLOBAL proportions, Climategate comes straight out of the UN, and the time is growing short to find the SOURCE of all this corruption and to weed it out of the power systems, whether they be liberal, conservative, or even libertarian (yes, there also exists elements of 'controlled opposition'). "liberty or death" will be the type of mentality that might just save the world... especially when the alternative is complete impoverishment and enslavement of the people of the world.
 
Hi BmanMcfly.

There is also the issue of the period when the "Sun" was throwing off some of the biggest solar flares on record about 8 years back. The temperatures spiked and the Liberals ran with this spike in order to gain 'Power and Money'. In the process they hijacked the environmental movement for political gain.

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The sun isn't causing this.
 
It's more than just hacked emails uncovering some conspiracy...

BBC Exposes 'Fudge Factor' in ClimateGate Global Warming Computer Programming Code

Computer engineers have examined the source code used in the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit. The CRU had wholesale problems with their code that their data was pulled from and being cited by other scientists as gospel. There were billions and maybe even trillions of dollars at stake.

There's a video of the BBC's coverage of this story, just click the above link.
 
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The sun isn't causing this.

Read my post! I said it was during the last temperature rise, that the Global warming crazy took off.

This temperature rise happens during the 11 year cyclical solar flaring. The next one is due to happen around now, and believe me that the liberal scientist know this, and are getting prepared to run through the streets yelling we are right, look at how the temperatures are rising due to carbon emissions. After all Liberal minds speed most of their days trying to think up "lies" to advance their agenda's.
 
I had brought up a similar issue some pages back, saying that the sun was responsible for the temperature of the planet, the reply was along the lines of "the sun is irrellevant for AGW because the sun doesn't add CO2 to the atmosphere"

Do you think there were Liberal Cave men running around yelling global warming during the age of Erupting Volcano's and big lunged dinosaurs?:lol:


I couldn't find the link again, but mr John P. Holdren is out defending the 'alarmist AGW position' in spite of 'climategate'... we can't forget that this is the man that wrote an entire book about population control, reduction, methods of mass sterilization (the 'remedy' available to would-be parents to be approuved by government), and so on...

As I have said many times the Liberal movement is a movement of "lies and hatred", and Holdren is a Liberal who hates People, and spreads lies to express this hatred.


Yes, there is an awakening going on... this is an issue of GLOBAL proportions, Climategate comes straight out of the UN, and the time is growing short to find the SOURCE of all this corruption and to weed it out of the power systems, whether they be liberal, conservative, or even libertarian (yes, there also exists elements of 'controlled opposition'). "liberty or death" will be the type of mentality that might just save the world... especially when the alternative is complete impoverishment and enslavement of the people of the world.

There are others groups who are corrupt also, this is a fact about humans. But! It is modern Liberalism that Hates America and wants to turn it into a second class China. It is Liberals that study the teachings on how to use corrupt thinking in order to gain power and money. It is Liberals that see the lack of morality as a gift, to be used to achieve goals. Liberals are in control of the Universities, Science centres, Media, entertainment, and now the Federal Government. So, who is the biggest threat to freedom, if it is not a movement of "lies and hatred" called modern Liberalism?
 
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So you, don't support the fact they are criminals. I'd bet you don't care that the stole personal property, and in fact could change anything they wanted to to support their theory. The hackers deserved to be put in prison were they belong for do something ILLEGAL.

I thanked you for oyur post as it is important to keep in mind that a crime was committed. To the chagrin of Barbara Boxer and some of her colleagues, it may not be a prosecutable offense in the USA as foriegn nationals appear to be involved.

The bigger question, for me at least, is what should be done with the 'scientists' who manipulated date with knowledge that their results might be used to underpin environmental policy that would cost hundreds of billions?
I'd be interested in your take on that. Thanks.
 
Do you think there were Liberal Cave men running around yelling global warming during the age of Erupting Volcano's and big lunged dinosaurs?:lol:

The funny part is that global cooling would be a bigger threat then global warming all in all...

As I have said many times the Liberal movement is a movement of "lies and hatred", and Holdren is a Liberal who hates People, and spreads lies to express this hatred.

However, the co-author of 'ecoscience' was Bush's science advisor... would you place him as well as a liberal? That liberalism is a cross-platform belief (partially or totally hijacking the right)?

There are others groups who are corrupt also, this is a fact about humans. But! It is modern Liberalism that Hates America and wants to turn it into a second class China. It is Liberals that study the teachings on how to use corrupt thinking in order to gain power and money. It is Liberals that see the lack of morality as a gift, to be used to achieve goals. Liberals are in control of the Universities, Science centres, Media, entertainment, and now the Federal Government. So, who is the biggest threat to freedom, if it is not a movement of "lies and hatred" called modern Liberalism?

Yes, i see your point and if there is an alternative, I'm not certain what word would adequately describe this... A number of years back I would have called it 'corporatism', but I'm not sure that this is adequate anymore...

Whatever labels used to describe is not as important either way, since it's becoming more and more apparent... almost by the day, that there is an 'anti-american' / 'anti-human' movement that has taken hold of governments around the world... whose aims are little more then world DOMINATION (as in Orwells depiction of the eternal boot stomping on the face of mankind)... those involved have even described in books how the aim is the "FiNAL revolution"
 
The problem with those e-mails was that they were misused. If you don't know a lot of science, then some of the e-mails look very bad. Just look at this youtube clip. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg&feature=sub"]YouTube- 6. Climate Change -- Those hacked e-mails[/ame]

However, I don't really care about this topic any more, because people have way too strong opinions about it, and global warming isn't going to hurt any one in the western world. Actually, 10 degrees farenheight warmer would be nice.
 
Read my post! I said it was during the last temperature rise, that the Global warming crazy took off.

This temperature rise happens during the 11 year cyclical solar flaring. The next one is due to happen around now, and believe me that the liberal scientist know this, and are getting prepared to run through the streets yelling we are right, look at how the temperatures are rising due to carbon emissions. After all Liberal minds speed most of their days trying to think up "lies" to advance their agenda's.
Yet 2005 was the hotter year, and Solar activity was at a low that year. The correlation does not exist at best, and is more likely the product of pure bull.
 
The funny part is that global cooling would be a bigger threat then global warming all in all...

This is true. Believe me the Liberal minds are already thinking of ways of manipulating it to their Potical benifit.:lol:


However, the co-author of 'ecoscience' was Bush's science advisor... would you place him as well as a liberal? That liberalism is a cross-platform belief (partially or totally hijacking the right)?

Sorry don't know of that book. Bush was a Democrat as is McCain. It is not their fault that their party was hijacked by Liberals and the Republican party was the only place for them. How many scientist do you think are not Liberal? How hard do you think it would have been for Bush to find an Conservative scientist?


Yes, i see your point and if there is an alternative, I'm not certain what word would adequately describe this... A number of years back I would have called it 'corporatism', but I'm not sure that this is adequate anymore...

Whatever labels used to describe is not as important either way, since it's becoming more and more apparent... almost by the day, that there is an 'anti-american' / 'anti-human' movement that has taken hold of governments around the world... whose aims are little more then world DOMINATION (as in Orwells depiction of the eternal boot stomping on the face of mankind)... those involved have even described in books how the aim is the "FiNAL revolution"

I have seen this movement grow for the last 40 years of my life, so it is no surprise to me. It is a movement of "lies and hatred", this is all the motivation and cause they need. They wake up in the morning and their eyes scan the horizon for things to hate. and then their minds start to whirl on how they can manipulate it with lies.
 
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