This thread should be moved to the conspiracy theory forum. All this talk about conspiracies to destroy the U.S., liberal extremism, and all that non-sense, is just so over the top. The only people crying out about extremism are actually the extremists who are so partisan and reactionary that they can't even stop for one second to look at the facts.
You know the funny part of this... before the issue of 'cap and trade' schemes came up, there was ALEADY talk of the carbon TAXES which would follow the schemes failure.
It sounds 'over the top', but seriously, what else would you expect when the 'solution' to global warming is 'an ever increasing tax on carbon emissions' (5lbs/day -> 1500lbs/year of co2... initially 5-6$ carbon tax per year of BREATHING... 20 years later the cost might be up to 50$ a year to breath).
CRU was ONE climate research organization. There are thousands of others worldwide, all independent but contributory to climate journals. You can't just go and say they're all wrong when they've contributed, collectively, to decades worth of research.
Here's the difference :
These smaller labs are subordinate to the IPCC's findings, and the CRU was a part of this international body that was proposing the 'copenhagen treaty' which would see North American's be hit hard with a new tax payable to the IMF based on carbon emissions... that would be EVER INCREASING.
These other labs that you're defending... well, unless I'm mistaken, don't they go to the CRU for the reliable data??
Do you know how much money would be taken through this carbon tax globally??? (Hint : Al Gore is already a 'climate billionaire', and the tax isn't even in place yet)
It's not a crime to expose criminals and I'm in favor of justice, but it's a crime to hack into computer databases. I could just as easily call this a right-wing conspiracy manufactured by the rich industry elites who want to create popular dissent against AGW research - which, by the way, has in no way been invalidated by this one incident - because the truth is becoming so widespread. But since I'm not an extremist, I have no interest in such theoretical garbage.
Afterall, there was NO HACKING involved. No laws were broken in obtaining those emails.
Sorry, but if the science is based on fraud, the raw data destroyed (claimed lost), and all the other evidence... that calls into question every involved scientists life work... and would even endanger the work of fellow colleagues through this fraud.
The world was almost conned.
Fact is, those against AGW have consistently failed in providing counter evidence time after time, both on these forums and elsewhere. If this conspiracy theorist non-sense is all they have left to cling to in order to try to prop up their ideas, then all the power to them.
About 3 pages back I had the links which countered pretty well every contention of 'alarmist agw propaganda' :
- Polar bear numbers are increasing (they can swim afterall)
- many crustaceans grow thicker shells in acidic water, or were not impacted untill rediculous co2 levels were applied
- the ice caps are increasing overall
- the forests are regrowing (though cutting down old growth forest is probably still not a good things)
On EVERY POINT the legitimate science shows the AGW crowd to be nothing more then overzealous fear-mongers.... and now the chief scientists involved in the research are being exposed for the fraudster conmen that they are.
In the mean time, REAL research continues.
Yes, because there are still enough people that 'have faith' in the church of climateology even in the face of their high priests being exposed for frauds.