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    Re: Climategate: it's all unravelling now

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post

    So you, don't support the fact they are criminals. I'd bet you don't care that the stole personal property, and in fact could change anything they wanted to to support their theory. The hackers deserved to be put in prison were they belong for do something ILLEGAL.
    I thanked you for oyur post as it is important to keep in mind that a crime was committed. To the chagrin of Barbara Boxer and some of her colleagues, it may not be a prosecutable offense in the USA as foriegn nationals appear to be involved.

    The bigger question, for me at least, is what should be done with the 'scientists' who manipulated date with knowledge that their results might be used to underpin environmental policy that would cost hundreds of billions?
    I'd be interested in your take on that. Thanks.

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    Re: Climategate: it's all unravelling now

    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleforFreedom View Post
    Do you think there were Liberal Cave men running around yelling global warming during the age of Erupting Volcano's and big lunged dinosaurs?
    The funny part is that global cooling would be a bigger threat then global warming all in all...

    As I have said many times the Liberal movement is a movement of "lies and hatred", and Holdren is a Liberal who hates People, and spreads lies to express this hatred.
    However, the co-author of 'ecoscience' was Bush's science advisor... would you place him as well as a liberal? That liberalism is a cross-platform belief (partially or totally hijacking the right)?

    There are others groups who are corrupt also, this is a fact about humans. But! It is modern Liberalism that Hates America and wants to turn it into a second class China. It is Liberals that study the teachings on how to use corrupt thinking in order to gain power and money. It is Liberals that see the lack of morality as a gift, to be used to achieve goals. Liberals are in control of the Universities, Science centres, Media, entertainment, and now the Federal Government. So, who is the biggest threat to freedom, if it is not a movement of "lies and hatred" called modern Liberalism?
    Yes, i see your point and if there is an alternative, I'm not certain what word would adequately describe this... A number of years back I would have called it 'corporatism', but I'm not sure that this is adequate anymore...

    Whatever labels used to describe is not as important either way, since it's becoming more and more apparent... almost by the day, that there is an 'anti-american' / 'anti-human' movement that has taken hold of governments around the world... whose aims are little more then world DOMINATION (as in Orwells depiction of the eternal boot stomping on the face of mankind)... those involved have even described in books how the aim is the "FiNAL revolution"

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    Re: Climategate: it's all unravelling now

    The problem with those e-mails was that they were misused. If you don't know a lot of science, then some of the e-mails look very bad. Just look at this youtube clip. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg&feature=sub"]YouTube- 6. Climate Change -- Those hacked e-mails[/ame]

    However, I don't really care about this topic any more, because people have way too strong opinions about it, and global warming isn't going to hurt any one in the western world. Actually, 10 degrees farenheight warmer would be nice.

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    Re: Climategate: it's all unravelling now

    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleforFreedom View Post
    Read my post! I said it was during the last temperature rise, that the Global warming crazy took off.

    This temperature rise happens during the 11 year cyclical solar flaring. The next one is due to happen around now, and believe me that the liberal scientist know this, and are getting prepared to run through the streets yelling we are right, look at how the temperatures are rising due to carbon emissions. After all Liberal minds speed most of their days trying to think up "lies" to advance their agenda's.
    Yet 2005 was the hotter year, and Solar activity was at a low that year. The correlation does not exist at best, and is more likely the product of pure bull.

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    Re: Climategate: it's all unravelling now

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    The funny part is that global cooling would be a bigger threat then global warming all in all...
    This is true. Believe me the Liberal minds are already thinking of ways of manipulating it to their Potical benifit.


    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    However, the co-author of 'ecoscience' was Bush's science advisor... would you place him as well as a liberal? That liberalism is a cross-platform belief (partially or totally hijacking the right)?
    Sorry don't know of that book. Bush was a Democrat as is McCain. It is not their fault that their party was hijacked by Liberals and the Republican party was the only place for them. How many scientist do you think are not Liberal? How hard do you think it would have been for Bush to find an Conservative scientist?


    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Yes, i see your point and if there is an alternative, I'm not certain what word would adequately describe this... A number of years back I would have called it 'corporatism', but I'm not sure that this is adequate anymore...

    Whatever labels used to describe is not as important either way, since it's becoming more and more apparent... almost by the day, that there is an 'anti-american' / 'anti-human' movement that has taken hold of governments around the world... whose aims are little more then world DOMINATION (as in Orwells depiction of the eternal boot stomping on the face of mankind)... those involved have even described in books how the aim is the "FiNAL revolution"
    I have seen this movement grow for the last 40 years of my life, so it is no surprise to me. It is a movement of "lies and hatred", this is all the motivation and cause they need. They wake up in the morning and their eyes scan the horizon for things to hate. and then their minds start to whirl on how they can manipulate it with lies.
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    Re: Climategate: it's all unravelling now

    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleforFreedom View Post
    Sorry don't know of that book. Bush was a Democrat as is McCain. It is not their fault that their party was hijacked by Liberals and the Republican party was the only place for them.
    Thanks for clarifying the position... I know now that I'm essentially in full agreement here.

    It's like with the soviet union there was 1 party... here in america we have the choice... do we want the hammer or the sickle?

    About the book; 'ecoscience' written by John P Holdren and Paul R. Ehrlich. It's essentially a policy book about ways in which to handle 'overpopulation'. One of the main points was discussing ways to sterilize men and women without also sterilizing other animals, in such a way that there would be an 'antidote' which could be obtained through a successful application process where you would have to prove why you are worthy of being a parent. Which ties into my next point :

    How many scientist do you think are not Liberal? How hard do you think it would have been for Bush to find an Conservative scientist?
    I forget where the suggestion was made, but I remember reading the challenge to go to the heads of the psychology, sociology, or biology in ANY university and ask them about 'overpopulation' or 'the people bomb' and likely in EVERY case the heads of those departments would be all to happy to tell you of the need to depopulate the planet...

    I have seen this movement grow for the last 40 years of my life, so it is no surprise to me. It is a movement of "lies and hatred", this is all the motivation and cause they need. They wake up in the morning and their eyes scan the horizon for things to hate. and then their minds start to whirl on how they can manipulate it with lies.
    I haven't been around for 40 years... but I have spent time when I was younger researching corporate corruption, which tied into politicians surprisingly often in cases that are too numerous to list.

    As I looked deeper, then I started to be called a 'conspiracy theorist' in spite of the fact that others under the same label, who were legitimate researchers and experts in their fields that have a surprisingly good track record of predicting future events... (one example : when oil was around 60$ /barrel I heard of the discussion to manipulate the cost of oil to bring it to the 150-200$ range within a year... this was blasted as nonsense... yet, like clockwork it happened.)

    Then you come across books like 1968's "limits to growth" and 1991's "the final revolution" (both coming from the club of Rome, of which Al Gore is a standing member) and the picture becomes even more clear... so when climate gate came out, it was more a 'finally' then a 'seriously?', in my view.

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    Re: Climategate: it's all unravelling now

    Quote Originally Posted by ConservaBill View Post
    ... THIS the BIGGEST hoax ever perpetrated..

    Is THAT what you think is nonsense??

    AMAZING logic stream!

    I'm SO glad I'm grown up and left that ridiculous liberal mindset behind....

    Although life was SO much more pleasant when I had held that ignorance!
    Yeah.... you keep telling yourself that....
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: Climategate: it's all unravelling now

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    So in other words you support criminal behavior as long as the results favor your political views. Good to know.
    I support criminal behavior if it uncovers a massive fraud being perpetrated on the world by so-called scientists.

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    Re: Climategate: it's all unravelling now

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I support criminal behavior if it uncovers a massive fraud being perpetrated on the world by so-called scientists.
    It's an irrelevant point because there was nothing ilegal about how this information was obtained.

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    Re: Climategate: it's all unravelling now

    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleforFreedom View Post
    The question is:

    Is it a crime to expose criminal minds?
    This is what 'whilstleblower" protections are for.
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