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    Re: Chris Mathews Calls West Point an "Enemy camp"

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Chris made a sincere and heartfelt apology today for his choice of words.
    Meaning even he knows he was wrong about making such a characterization.
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    Re: Chris Mathews Calls West Point an "Enemy camp"

    Meaning it was obviously a ill chosen turn of phrase, but hardly meant what many were trying to imply he was meaning was actually true.

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    Re: Chris Mathews Calls West Point an "Enemy camp"

    I heard that the cadets were enthusiastic, on the edge of their seats, and listening to every word....


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    Re: Chris Mathews Calls West Point an "Enemy camp"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I heard that the cadets were enthusiastic, on the edge of their seats, and listening to every word....

    to the kill bind landn book. I agree, they were listen to every word he was saying.

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    Re: Chris Mathews Calls West Point an "Enemy camp"

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Breaking News! Commentator uses common phrase to describe a generally politically opposed crowd to the President.

    In other news rookie Linebacker Brian Orakpo said when the Dallas Cowboys visit the Washington Redskins in December they're going to be entering enemy territory and their defense is going to rip Tony Romo's head off. Brian Orakpo was then arrested for threats of murder towards Tony Romo and the FBI is investigating season ticket holders for terrorist connection due to Orakpo's admission they're "enemy territory".

    And in other news Chris Johnson was found running away from the cops today, showing the announcer was amazingly apt in describing his speed as "Running away from the cops" fast.



    Seriously...really?

    Saying someone is entering "enemy territory" when going to a place that is generally opposed to their views...be it in sports, politics, whatever...is hardly a giant offense and isn't that unusual of a phrase. Poor choice of words? Sure, but not what its being made out to be. If George Bush was going to speak before a traditionally black college you could describe it the same way....would that mean the commentator was proposing those black men and women were America's enemy?




    Your analogy is bit off....



    It would be more like eli manning calling the medowlands "enemy camp"... Just sayin....
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    Re: Chris Mathews Calls West Point an "Enemy camp"

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    *searches high and low for any spec of debate argument and comes up empty*
    Do you deny that the Democrat Party positions themselves in a way that shows them to be against the military and the US?

    Chris Matthews let some truth out of the liberal bag with his statement. They know the score when it comes to national defense and the military. His words show it. Its on their minds. Its in the words they speak.

    Chris Matthews has apologized for his statement. Why I have no idea, b/c this is how elitiest liberals look at the military in general. Why do libs like MAtthews apologize for something they honestly believe?

    Hot Air Blog Archive Matthews: Hey, sorry for calling West Point an “enemy camp”

    No reason to continue the damage control on this one.

    The stops here.

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    Re: Chris Mathews Calls West Point an "Enemy camp"

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Meaning it was obviously a ill chosen turn of phrase, but hardly meant what many were trying to imply he was meaning was actually true.
    ...you mean that the future leaders of our military constituted "the enemy." I believe that's exactly what he meant. The groups that make up the bulk of the democratic party are many and varied but doesn't include the demographic making up the majority of west point cadets.
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    Re: Chris Mathews Calls West Point an "Enemy camp"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    ...you mean that the future leaders of our military constituted "the enemy." I believe that's exactly what he meant. The groups that make up the bulk of the democratic party are many and varied but doesn't include the demographic making up the majority of west point cadets.
    Which is the whole point as to why I have no big issue with using that phrase other than it being ill concieved due to PERCEPTION, not reality.

    You're right, the west point cadets if you have to give them a likely political ideology, would probably be mostly conservative minded. Traditionally the military, especially the more hardcore within it (which I’d imagine those actually attending a place like west point would be), are considered stereotypically conservative. Its that reason why this statement….

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Your analogy is bit off....
    Is false. Its not a false analogy. In the realm of POLITICS Barack Obama was going into a place that was essentially filled with his ideological “enemies”. He was the Cowboys (Liberal) going into Washington (Conservatives). Now, the use of that term is wonderful fodder for those that don’t like Matthews to jump upon and over exaggerate, but its honestly not a big deal. It’s a term used OFTEN when using analogies. People trying to imply that Matthews honestly actually believes West Point Cadets are literally “an enemy camp” is akin to as ignorant of a view point as those that thought Limbaughs “I want Obama to fail” comment meant he literally wanted harm to come to America.

    For all that the right likes to scream and yell about Political Correctness…this right here is essentially political correctness. We can use “enemy” as an analogy for a group that is generally opposed to another group in every facet of our lives, even politics at times, and yet in this case we’re going to get mad that he used it about military guys. OOOOO, he hates the military, he thinks they’re the enemy, grrrr.

    Bull****.

    I want to see reverend or any other conservative military person in here tell me to my face they don’t believe the majority of the military likely leans right.

    Okay.

    Now if they lean right, that would put their ideology opposed to……whose?

    Barack Obama.

    Therefore if Barack Obama is entering an arena that is primarily filled with those directly opposed to his ideology than an analogy could be made that he’s walking into “enemy territory” or an “enemy tent”, IE a hostile crowd (in this case ideologically hostile rather than outwardly hostile), IE a crowd that is not likely extremely receptive to his views.

    No different than when the Cowboys go into Washington and it’s “enemy territory” or when a conservative says “Liberalism is the enemy”. In both cases these people are not literally implying nor meaning that Washington, or “liberalism”, is literally the enemy of the united states, are terrorists, are people we’re literally at war with. It’s a turn of a phrase. Its an analogy. War analogies are long common in our society.

    Was it a bad use of the phase? Most definitely. It’s not smart, even if it’s a common type of phrase, to tie such rhetoric in with the troops. But it was a bone headed move more than a malicious one. Additionally, unlike most times where that phrase would be more appropriate, in general a military crowd is going to be at the least respectful no matter what. It would’ve been more apt if he was speaking before a Tea Party Protest or the NRA, in which the respect and decorum is not quite as ingrained as in the military and thus would’ve likely actually felt hostile based on more than simply a very, very reserved crowd.

    And seriously….did you not listen to the Meadowland for years before Eli won a Super Bowl. Sometimes even it sounded like an Enemy Camp when it came to Eli

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    Re: Chris Mathews Calls West Point an "Enemy camp"

    The military leans right...


    Obama is the POTUS, CiC, not the "enemy", he's the bossman.... It's shouldn't be "the enemy camp"... Poor choice of words, that's all..


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    Chris Mathews Calls West Point an "Enemy camp"No links to the basement. Based on response I'm guessing you were intending to paste the eli comments here and messed up

    True....
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    Re: Chris Mathews Calls West Point an "Enemy camp"

    I won't disagree it was a poor choice of words, only because we're still in a hyper PC society and as much as conservatives bitch about political correctness when it comes to thinks they care about they too can get up in arms about it.

    My issue with it was those trying to act like it was proof matthews hates the military, trying to act like he LITERALLY viewed them as an "enemy camp", trying to imply this is example of why we need a civil war, etc.

    It was a ill worded common turn of phrase trying to describe Obama going to speak before a likely unreceptive crowd

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