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    Re: Movement under way in California to ban divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This only demonstrates ignorance on the pro-gm side.
    As opposed to the hypocrisy and ignorance of the anti gm side?

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    Re: Movement under way in California to ban divorce

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    As opposed to the hypocrisy and ignorance of the anti gm side?
    Yup.



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    Re: Movement under way in California to ban divorce

    Other people should never have married. They're simply not a match and made a mistake.

    They should divorce before children enter the picture.

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    Re: Movement under way in California to ban divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Marriage is a contract. Does the government have the authority to dictate the terms of a contract made between to two consenting individuals?
    Divorce doesnt dictate terms, divorce ends the contract, at the request of one or both parties.
    The state's role in divorce is to make sure the rights of those in the marriage are protected.

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    Re: Movement under way in California to ban divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Apparently you don't understand my position if that is your take. My argument is that the people who push forth the anti same sex marriage agenda have distracted the public from what really has caused the decline of traditional marriage. By doing so, they continually ensure its decline in this country
    Is THAT what all that was about?

    I still disagree. These people are more than happy to keep people 'informed' as to what has really caused the decline of traditional arriage -- just ask them.

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    Re: Movement under way in California to ban divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Divorce can support the sanctity of marriage also.

    Ever prune a tree? Cut away the dead and dying twigs?

    Abusive marriages, for example, should end in divorce before they end in murder.
    I agree....however, I expect that those who voted in favor of prop 8 will be up in arms about taking away their "right" to divorce.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Movement under way in California to ban divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Is THAT what all that was about?

    I still disagree. These people are more than happy to keep people 'informed' as to what has really caused the decline of traditional marriage -- just ask them.
    You are disagreeing but you aren't providing any rational for disagreeing. In psychology we call that denial. Please provide some evidence to disprove my charge that the anti gm crowd is doing considerably more to cause the decline of traditional marriage than the pro gm crowed ever could. I was kind enough to provide evidence that same sex marriage has caused no harm to marriage by citing that Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate and that the real factors which cause the decline of traditional marriage are no fault divorce and women leaving home to work. What evidence do you have to disprove these facts? What exactly has the anti gm crowd done to alleviate these factors? How exactly has the anti gm crowd's fear appeals that the pro gm agenda is an attack on religious liberties and a ploy to indoctrinate children been good for traditional marriage?

    No offense, but your position is ****, and you know it. Otherwise you would do more than "disagree". You have no evidence to support your position and as far as I am concerned, I have trounced you.
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    Re: Movement under way in California to ban divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You are disagreeing but you aren't providing any rational for disagreeing. In psychology we call that denial.
    Speaking of denial, there's your claim that I didn't provide a reason. Sorry that you didn't pick up on it; I'll try to be moire specific this time.

    You're arguing that the 'sanctity of marriage' people are taking their eye off the ball by losing focus on the real reasons why marriage is in decline in order to pursue their agenda against gay marriage, and in doing so, they are, in fact, assisting in the decline of marriage because of that shift in focus.

    You have not shown this to be true. To show this to be true you, at the very least, have to show that these groups have, to a significant degree, pulled back their previously established efforts to reverse the decline of marriage and, in its stead, embarked on their campaign against gay marriage.

    You also have to show that the 'public' has been distracted from what really has caused the decline of traditional marriage

    Please provide some evidence to disprove my charge that the anti gm crowd is doing considerably more to cause the decline of traditional marriage than the pro gm crowed ever could.
    I dont need to disprove what hasnt yet been proven.

    No offense, but your position is ****, and you know it
    On the contrary -- you havent yet addressed MY position - and you know it.

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    Re: Movement under way in California to ban divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You're arguing that the 'sanctity of marriage' people are taking their eye off the ball by losing focus on the real reasons why marriage is in decline in order to pursue their agenda against gay marriage, and in doing so, they are, in fact, assisting in the decline of marriage because of that shift in focus.

    You have not shown this to be true. To show this to be true you, at the very least, have to show that these groups have, to a significant degree, pulled back their previously established efforts to reverse the decline of marriage and, in its stead, embarked on their campaign against gay marriage.
    The evidence is in the money. Show me one penny of the millions upon millions of dollars that has poured into the anti gm crowd that has been put towards alleviating the effects of no fault divorce or women leaving home to work. If you can do so, I will concede defeat. If not, then it is my victory.

    In fact, while you are at it, why not come up with the proportion of money that the so called "pro traditional marriage" crowd has put towards alleviating those factors as compared to the amount spend combating gay marriage, and explain how it is justified given the relatively low impact gay marriage has on traditional marriage.

    You also have to show that the 'public' has been distracted from what really has caused the decline of traditional marriage
    The evidence is in the ads. Show me one ad in the last 5 years from the anti gm crowd which has challenged the issues of no fault divorce and women leaving home to work as factors in the decline of traditional marriage.

    On the contrary -- you havent yet addressed MY position - and you know it.
    Consider it addressed. I await to see your evidence as you have yet to provide any to support your position.
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    Re: Movement under way in California to ban divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The evidence is in the money. Show me one penny of the millions upon millions of dollars that has poured into the anti gm crowd that has been put towards alleviating the effects of no fault divorce or women leaving home to work. If you can do so, I will concede defeat. If not, then it is my victory.
    No no no...
    YOU have to show that the funds were significantly shifted AWAY from the 'decline of marriage' message and into the 'anti gay-marriage' agenda.

    The evidence is in the ads. Show me one ad in the last 5 years...
    No no no...
    YOU have to show that the ads were significantly shifted AWAY from the 'decline of marriage' message and toward the 'anti gay-marriage' agenda.

    Consider it addressed. I await to see your evidence as you have yet to provide any to support your position.
    That you think you have addressed MY position is nothing but denial.
    That you think I have not supported MY position is nothing but denial.
    In fact, I'll bet you cannot tell me what my posiion IS, much less how you have addressed it.

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