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    Re: Filing charges of Treason against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Standard request from the Reality Based community. All other birther threads on this forum before this last week have all been moved to the conspiracy theory thread where they belong.
    Except this isn't about his eligibility directly, it's about a news story that relates to that.

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    Re: Filing charges of Treason against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Except this isn't about his eligibility directly, it's about a news story that relates to that.
    You're new here epic but to my knowledge even news stories about birthers have been moved down to the conspiracy thread. As for your article. The birther met with a panel of 3 in a small town. It was not the full grand jury as the article said and was procedural. He seemed pretty pissed when he left as well.

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    Re: Filing charges of Treason against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    You're new here epic but to my knowledge even news stories about birthers have been moved down to the conspiracy thread. As for your article. The birther met with a panel of 3 in a small town. It was not the full grand jury as the article said and was procedural. He seemed pretty pissed when he left as well.
    Eh, well it started as a news thread, if it degenerates into a conspiracy thread, I have no qualms with moving it.

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    Re: Filing charges of Treason against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
    And again you have nothing of substance to add.
    Just one of the typical behaviors of a person who can not make a valid rebuttal.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    This thread needs to be moved to the conspiracy theory section.
    Would you like some cheese with that whine?

    1.) It probably will be.
    2.) Contrary to your belief, it isn't Conspiracy. Even if moved.
    3.) It is a valid issue that you can not show to be invalid.





    More false statements I see.
    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    All other birther threads on this forum before this last week have all been moved to the conspiracy theory thread where they belong.
    False.


    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Nothing assbackward about it.
    It was completely backasswards.


    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Coolguy keeps posting the same **** to new people because somehow he thinks he can fool the new guys.
    Not only false but a mischaracterization as well.
    I look at what is being said, not at the poster, or how new they are or aren't.
    In this topic I asked a person a question and they replied with an answer that was not only non-responsive to the question, but totally inaccurate.



    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    ... he's been beaten down with his whacked out conspiracy theories in the conspiracy theory section over and over again.
    Wrong, inaccurate, false, a lie, take your pick.
    They all fit because I have never been beaten down and this legitimate issue isn't a whacked out conspiracy theory, nor does it belong to me.

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    Re: Filing charges of Treason against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Actually, the case you sited does define NBC…. Let’s look at the word “nomenclature”.
    ...
    So we can see this passage of that opinion that states: "with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar," means that we can look to an author of the constitution, and to the 1st Congress for the meaning of NBC... so let's do that.
    ...
    Seems pretty clear what the Nomenclature of the "Natural Born Citizen" clause of our constitution means..... and Judge Waite knew it.
    As I have previously said to you;
    "... it does not mean it is proven that this is exactly what our Founding Fathers or Framers meant.
    The proof would come in how our Court would decide their actual intent."
    A Court could very well find that they didn't define it and make a finding that the Founders meant something different then what we have argued.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    As for your article. The birther met with a panel of 3 in a small town. It was not the full grand jury as the article said and was procedural. He seemed pretty pissed when he left as well.
    Do you have a link?


    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Yeah "coolguy" had this explained to him already down in the conspiracy theory threads he just keeps posting the same crap to different people as if he doesn't know this **** was explained.
    No this was not explained away by anybody, especially you.
    So either you are mistaken or deliberately telling an untruth. Which is it?

    Better yet.
    Why don't you provide a link/s to the exact post/s where the following was explained away to back up your statement or admit you are wrong.
    Heck, refute it yourself.
    But already knowing that you can't, I would suggest that you just admit your statement was wrong.


    88 U.S. 162
    Minor v. Happersett
    Argued: February 9, 1875 --- Decided: March 29, 1875

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    The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words "all children" are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as "all persons," and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea.
    ...
    Minor v. Happersett
    Did you get that, or should I repeat it?
    It hasn't been fully defined.

    And if the Fourteenth Amendment applied that is where the Court would have turned, instead of saying the Constitution doesn't define it and turning elsewhere.
    This is a legitimate issue.
    Now refute it.

    Oh, I forgot. You can't.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    As I've said before, ... Once an individual becomes the President-elect, Congress and only Congress can question his (or her) qualifications to be President or remove the individual from office per the Constitution (short of the individual resigning, of course ...).
    Yes you did say this before and you were also told then that you were incorrect.
    But I see you didn't pay attention, which makes you just as incorrect now.

    Congress delegated that authority to the District Court of the District of Columbia, to hear the writ of 'Quo warranto', which is specifically designed to remove a usurper from office.

    This doesn't preclude other Courts from hearing cases on other issues if they have jurisdiction and the plaintiff has standing.
    Any findings or discovery that was detrimental to Obama from these cases would then be forwarded to the AG who should then, if warranted, file 'Quo warranto' proceedings.

    As for this Treason Charge making any headway where it is at. I doubt it, even if they charged him.
    What would be funny is if any indictments made were sealed. It would have the effect of bringing the issue more coverage.

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    Re: Filing charges of Treason against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    And again you have nothing of substance to add.
    Just one of the typical behaviors of a person who can not make a valid rebuttal.



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    Would you like some cheese with that whine?

    1.) It probably will be.
    2.) Contrary to your belief, it isn't Conspiracy. Even if moved.
    3.) It is a valid issue that you can not show to be invalid.





    More false statements I see.
    False.



    It was completely backasswards.



    Not only false but a mischaracterization as well.
    I look at what is being said, not at the poster, or how new they are or aren't.
    In this topic I asked a person a question and they replied with an answer that was not only non-responsive to the question, but totally inaccurate.



    Wrong, inaccurate, false, a lie, take your pick.
    They all fit because I have never been beaten down and this legitimate issue isn't a whacked out conspiracy theory, nor does it belong to me.
    I find it funny that the only time i ever see you posting has to do with conspiracy theories and birther threads. You keep posting the same wrong information over and over again as if you think you can fool the new people. Ill give you an example. A post recently claiming natural born means born of two citizens et the passage posted stated it only applies to chldren born overseas. Yes this is a conspiracy theory you think somehow his parents plotted to secretly install him as president all those years ago. Somehow the state of hawaii which is run by a republican, multiple states all the courts these cases are submitted to, the supreme court are in collusion in this coverup. One of your birther heroes, Orly Taitz, is in trouble now because she was trying to get people to lie in her affidavits and not tell the truth. Now "coolguy" do you have any proof that he wasnt born here or isnt natural born because so far the evidence points to him being.

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    Re: Filing charges of Treason against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Man this guy is nuts. I wonder why, I haven't heard this on the news.

    You're not tuning in to the right news.

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    Re: Filing charges of Treason against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    As I have previously said to you;
    "... it does not mean it is proven that this is exactly what our Founding Fathers or Framers meant.
    The proof would come in how our Court would decide their actual intent."
    A Court could very well find that they didn't define it and make a finding that the Founders meant something different then what we have argued.



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    Do you have a link?


    No this was not explained away by anybody, especially you.
    So either you are mistaken or deliberately telling an untruth. Which is it?

    Better yet.
    Why don't you provide a link/s to the exact post/s where the following was explained away to back up your statement or admit you are wrong.
    Heck, refute it yourself.
    But already knowing that you can't, I would suggest that you just admit your statement was wrong.


    Did you get that, or should I repeat it?
    It hasn't been fully defined.

    And if the Fourteenth Amendment applied that is where the Court would have turned, instead of saying the Constitution doesn't define it and turning elsewhere.
    This is a legitimate issue.
    Now refute it.

    Oh, I forgot. You can't.



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    Yes you did say this before and you were also told then that you were incorrect.
    But I see you didn't pay attention, which makes you just as incorrect now.

    Congress delegated that authority to the District Court of the District of Columbia, to hear the writ of 'Quo warranto', which is specifically designed to remove a usurper from office.

    This doesn't preclude other Courts from hearing cases on other issues if they have jurisdiction and the plaintiff has standing.
    Any findings or discovery that was detrimental to Obama from these cases would then be forwarded to the AG who should then, if warranted, file 'Quo warranto' proceedings.

    As for this Treason Charge making any headway where it is at. I doubt it, even if they charged him.
    What would be funny is if any indictments made were sealed. It would have the effect of bringing the issue more coverage.
    do you have any court cases establishing precedence to back up your claims coolguy?

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    Re: Filing charges of Treason against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Yes I am, but it does always seems like the bither's are wackjobs that needs their tinfoil hats removed.
    Bither? Do you mean birther?

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    Re: Filing charges of Treason against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    You're not tuning in to the right news.
    his tin foil hat is tuned into the wrong frequency you gotta switch to the am band

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