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    Re: Obama not losing support among independents

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Jensen said PPP makes no secret of its politics. Either way, itís become an emerging player in the polling industry for the frequency, newsworthiness and accuracy of its automated public polls. The Wall Street Journal reported last year that PPP was one of the most accurate pollsters in the home stretch of the 2008 presidential election.
    Again, if If the WSJ calls them accurate, not sure it matters who the boss donates to...

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    Re: Obama not losing support among independents

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    Again, if If the WSJ calls them accurate, not sure it matters who the boss donates to...
    If Karl Rove happened to predict the results of the 2008 general election down to 0.5% accuracy, does that mean that you'd automatically believe him over other, nonpartisan individuals, when it came to determining the demographic breakdown of Obama's approval rating in Nov of 2009?

    I'm not trying to say that PPP didn't do quite well in some past elections or that they're incapable of honest polling. I'm simply pointing out that when you have a polling company that openly admits its partisan lean, if their results contradict the unanimous results of other nonpartisan pollsters in a way that would seem to favor that company's preferred party, I would take it with a shaker of salt. Especially where it looks mathematically impossible.
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    Re: Obama not losing support among independents

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If Karl Rove happened to predict the results of the 2008 general election down to 0.5% accuracy, does that mean that you'd automatically believe him over other, nonpartisan individuals, when it came to determining the demographic breakdown of Obama's approval rating in Nov of 2009?

    I'm not trying to say that PPP didn't do quite well in some past elections or that they're incapable of honest polling. I'm simply pointing out that when you have a polling company that openly admits its partisan lean, if their results contradict the unanimous results of other nonpartisan pollsters in a way that would seem to favor that company's preferred party, I would take it with a shaker of salt. Especially where it looks mathematically impossible.
    It's sad that you even have to explain these things. I don't know how you stay so calm...

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    Re: Obama not losing support among independents

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    It's sad that you even have to explain these things. I don't know how you stay so calm...
    I don't think it's really that bad of an argument. As I was writing that post, I heard myself making the exact same arguments as Joe when I was defending Rasmussen's polling on an issue where everyone else was showing Obama's approval as being significantly higher. The two best arguments for Rasmussen in that case were that he had good results in the past and that he was unbiased. PPP has had good results as well, so all we're left with is the bias here. I think that's enough to basically ignore their results on this, but others could come to different conclusions.

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    Re: Obama not losing support among independents

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I don't think it's really that bad of an argument. As I was writing that post, I heard myself making the exact same arguments as Joe when I was defending Rasmussen's polling on an issue where everyone else was showing Obama's approval as being significantly higher. The two best arguments for Rasmussen in that case were that he had good results in the past and that he was unbiased. PPP has had good results as well, so all we're left with is the bias here. I think that's enough to basically ignore their results on this, but others could come to different conclusions.
    Yea, I read the OP and immediately assumed it was bias since the results were a statistical outlier. All the major polling institutions have Obama taking a huge hit among independents; the only way the PPP's results are right is if all the others used a flawed methodology.

    As to the issue, people on the left keep forgetting that America is a center-right nation. We can argue the semantics of "center-right" all day but everyone knows what it means and that it's largely true. Obama is governing from the far left, despite having run on a centrist platform, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he's losing support among independents. Obama has basically handed Washington D.C. over to a bunch of West Coast liberals; if he wants a second term then he needs to take the reigns back.

    I thought I would NEVER vote for a major party candidate that I didn't truly support, but after nearly a year of Obama I'm willing to vote for any candidate the GOP fields in 2012.

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    Re: Obama not losing support among independents

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm not trying to say that PPP didn't do quite well in some past elections or that they're incapable of honest polling. I'm simply pointing out that when you have a polling company that openly admits its partisan lean, if their results contradict the unanimous results of other nonpartisan pollsters in a way that would seem to favor that company's preferred party, I would take it with a shaker of salt. Especially where it looks mathematically impossible.
    Honesty, I haven't looked at the breakdowns of other polls, so I didn't know it was an outlier, I usually go with rolling averages like on realclearpolitics. This story was linked from a very legit site, and their numbers surprised even me. You made excellent points, and it just shows the need to double check stories even from "balanced" news sites.

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    Re: Obama not losing support among independents

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    This surpised me, I thought for sure Obama was losing at least some support among Dems or Independents....


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    Who do you think you're kidding? You think we're all fools out here? Surprised you, that's bull****. That's no you at all. You're one of the last people around here who thinks he's losing support. Why did you set this thread up? You're disingenuous.
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    Re: Obama not losing support among independents

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    Who do you think you're kidding? You think we're all fools out here? Surprised you, that's bull****. That's no you at all. You're one of the last people around here who thinks he's losing support. Why did you set this thread up? You're disingenuous.

    I would be ignorant of the facts and reality not to understand that Obama's numbers have come way down from election day. Again, the story was linked on political wire and CQ politics, and even the WSJ gave this this polling co. good ratings, so it's not I was trying to pass off a worldnetdaily story or something similiarly stupid.

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    Re: Obama not losing support among independents

    ..and denial ain't no river in Egypt.
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    Re: Obama not losing support among independents

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    Excuse me but isn't Rasmussen a right leaning polling company?
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