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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Even so, undercover investigations are initiated with probable cause for a surveillance warrant.
    Are they really? Always?

    Even the cops who go looking for child molestors on the internet?

    And even still, forming a "personal" relationship is not acceptable practice when going undercover. Tainted investigation and all that.
    I can't believe you even said that. That's so obviously absurd it needs no explanation why.

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Are they really? Always?

    Even the cops who go looking for child molestors on the internet?



    I can't believe you even said that. That's so obviously absurd it needs no explanation why.
    So still no support for your assertion of absurdity.

    Great, you can now be discounted from this conversation altogether after three attempts to get you to back up your statements.

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So still no support for your assertion of absurdity.

    Great, you can now be discounted from this conversation altogether after three attempts to get you to back up your statements.
    I'm not the one making assertions here, I'm the one laughing at them.

    Prove that all undercover operations require warrants. Prove they never involve fake "personal relationships." Both are laughable, but I'm willing to listen.

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    How could something that any private citizen could legally do require a search warrant?

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    I think the police could have used their time a lot better but what they did is not really illegal. First of all, even if it was the guy's personal and private facebook page, it's not his property, thus no warrant is required. Facebook owns all of it. If the police wanted, they could have subpoenaed Facebook to give them access to his page, but that wasn't necessary since the kid voluntarily let the person in. As far as I know, Facebook has no policy banning law enforcement, thus it falls under the public domain if a Facebook user lets people in.

    Whenever people I don't recognize want to add me to facebook, I always send them a PM first to ask who they are. Additionally, there is no super private information on my facebook that I wouldn't want anyone to see.

    The police bait potential offenders all the time. Undercover officers stand on corners pretending to be drug dealers or prostitutes so that the drug users or the johns can get caught. Yeah it's "gotcha" tactics but that seems to be the way law enforcement works in the U.S., especially if the techniques are in connection with a special operation that is ongoing. This is what happens when police departments are given quotas that they must fulfill. They go looking for crime.

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yeah, right.

    Sorry, but that just doesn't hold water legally. I think this incident was ridiculous, but it was legal.
    Facebook is a private social medium, not a police database. I don't know why anyone who cherishes liberty would support such draconian measures.

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    How could something that any private citizen could legally do require a search warrant?
    Because police officers are not private citizens.

    For instance, a police officer suspects there are drugs in your house, but has no probable cause; he simply thinks you look suspicious. He dresses in plain clothes, presents himself as a salesman, and convinces you to let him inside. Is the subsequent search Constitutional, even though he's entered under false pretenses, without probable cause or a warrant?

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    While probably legal, i think the whole premise sucks.....
    Busting a kid for a couple of beers is a waste of taxpayer's money.....
    Especially after the fact.....

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    WTF!?

    Is it ok for the police to use facebook and other social websites to *enforce* the law? I think this is a privacy issue.

    What do you think?
    I think it's time for teens and young adults to grow up and realize there are consequences to their actions.
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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Facebook is a private social medium
    Is it though?

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