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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Eh, wishful thinking on my part. Not all cops are like this, though. My father was a Los Angeles County Sherriff's deputy and he ignored blatant drug users on the street. He mainly sought to end domestic violence, murder, theft, etc. His line of logic was that there was no point in arresting people who were not endangering or hurting others. I guess that's where some of my views come from.
    I can safely say from the info in this post that your father was the epitome of how law enforcement officials should conduct their job.
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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    When L.E.O.'s start picking and choosing which laws they will enforce and which one's they will not, that could get very slippery.

    A professional peace officer, (at least the one's in my He Man Women Hater's Club, ) clocks in, enforces the laws given him to enforce, clocks out, goes home.

    I suppose a certain degree of discretion may be required from time to time but it is too much to ask them to be judge and jury too.

    Society makes the laws, cops enforce 'em. No more, no less.

    Some street cops I know will let a brutha slide with a bag of dope or even a few rocks IF you bring them a gun by noon tomorrow and place it under some dumpster at some predetermined location. I'm not so sure that is as much discretion as it is negotiation. That's policing.
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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I can understand your concern, however, I use social websites such as Face Book and MySpace all the time to track down individuals. I confess that I have even resorted to trickery, when the situation called for it, to get the respondant to come out into the open.

    It is a very effective tool. And until it is determined that it is illegal, we will use any tool available to us to get the job done. I totally understand where the cops are coming from.

    But, all that being said, something about it does kinda stick in my crawl. But I doubt I will get on a soapbox about it knowing that the criminal element and those who walk on the other side of the line use tools far more destructive as a means to their end. But bustin' college kids for posing with a beer or a bong is a bit petty in my personal opinion. There are bigger fish to fry.

    I suppose all's fair in love and war.
    This isn't love and war. This is civil rights and the freedom to move about your life and socialize freely without the police Gestapo'ing you down on facebook under false pretense.

    I don't know what you do that requires you to flush people out using deceptive practices, but I am saying that for pursuing crime, befriending someone on facebook to seek a confession of a crime or even gather personal information as evidence basically amounts to search without a warrant and an end run around Miranda.

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    When L.E.O.'s start picking and choosing which laws they will enforce and which one's they will not, that could get very slippery.

    A professional peace officer, (at least the one's in my He Man Women Hater's Club, ) clocks in, enforces the laws given him to enforce, clocks out, goes home.
    I'm sorry, you are simply mistaken. LEO's have tremendous discretion in enforcing laws. A police officer may encounter a minor in possession of alcohol, and can pick and choose from a wide range of possible responses. He/she can dump out the alcohol, determine the youth's sobriety, and send him on his way. He can call a parent and wait for the parent to pick up the youth. He can take the youth home. He can cite the individual for minor under the influence/possession. Or, he can take the youth to a detention center.

    However, with a status offense, officers RARELY go straight to the harshest possible sanction, particularly on a first offense. In this case, we are talking about a minor status offense with very limited evidence to prove the crime. I call this a bull**** action on the part of law enforcement.

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm sorry, you are simply mistaken. LEO's have tremendous discretion in enforcing laws. A police officer may encounter a minor in possession of alcohol, and can pick and choose from a wide range of possible responses. He/she can dump out the alcohol, determine the youth's sobriety, and send him on his way. He can call a parent and wait for the parent to pick up the youth. He can take the youth home. He can cite the individual for minor under the influence/possession. Or, he can take the youth to a detention center.

    However, with a status offense, officers RARELY go straight to the harshest possible sanction, particularly on a first offense. In this case, we are talking about a minor status offense with very limited evidence to prove the crime. I call this a bull**** action on the part of law enforcement.
    Not only that but he approached the kid through anonymous means to gain access to something he had clearly marked as private, assuming a false identity right down to a false gender and then proceeded to seek a confession whilst combing through his personal life electronically. With a warrant, I could see this being legal, if questionable, as an undercover operation. But even still, before his confession was even admissible, I would think the boy would have to be Mirandized (sp?) and understand that he was speaking, even electronically, to a police officer.
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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    This isn't love and war. This is civil rights and the freedom to move about your life and socialize freely without the police Gestapo'ing you down on facebook under false pretense.

    I don't know what you do that requires you to flush people out using deceptive practices, but I am saying that for pursuing crime, befriending someone on facebook to seek a confession of a crime or even gather personal information as evidence basically amounts to search without a warrant and an end run around Miranda.
    Yeah, right.

    Sorry, but that just doesn't hold water legally. I think this incident was ridiculous, but it was legal.

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yeah, right.

    Sorry, but that just doesn't hold water legally. I think this incident was ridiculous, but it was legal.
    Well perhaps you might like to back up this assertion with something more than a blanket statement of ridicule?

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    While not in relation to the direct story but since Facebook is the topic;

    My boss showed me an interesting article on Facebooks new privacy policy. One of the things that arent kept private are your fan pages. I didnt think much of it since my fan pages are just politics and sports but then my boss went to the rigamaroll on how potential employers nowadays do google and facebook searches on potential employees to find out what type of person they are. I dont have a problem with this at all its just becoming now that people have to be really careful what they put on Facebook, Myspace, etc.
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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well perhaps you might like to back up this assertion with something more than a blanket statement of ridicule?
    Is there a particular legislation that states a civilians Social Services profile contains enough information to require a warrant to access it? Is this official protocol? If not, then i guess it was done within the boundaries of the law.
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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well perhaps you might like to back up this assertion with something more than a blanket statement of ridicule?
    The cops did it and nobody has successfully challenged it in court as far as I know, so I think the burden of proof is on the guy who made the claim that it's illegal in the first place.

    Since when can you post pictures of yourself in a public forum committing a crime and expect privacy? It's a ridiculous idea. An expectation of privacy on Facebook? Absurd.
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