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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Im sure one police officer isnt going to make a drastic difference to the public.
    I'm sure that's not the point.

    I have come of the belief that when a law is broken regardless of what law is of more importance over another is irrelevant; if a law is broken, a law is broken, no matter how small or insignificant you think it is, it is to be enforced.
    The infringement on civil rights is of more significance than a kid having a beer in college.

    He didnt force his way in. The guy certainly didnt know the person he was adding in the first place, regardless if the police officer was pretending to be someone else. What part is invasive against his will?
    Entrapment. The police approached him through private social networking without any provocation to form an investigation against him. It was basically taking a peek into his personal life without any justification.

    What public interest does a law forbidding under aged drinking serve the public interest? If you believe it does serve the public interest, then he was simply enforcing this law. If you dont think it serves the public interest, then thats something you'll have to bring up with the authorities, because a law is broken, no matter how pathetic, its a police officer's duty to enforce it.
    You completely miss the point by focusing in on the most simplistic dynamic of this situation. It is irrefutable, at this point that the kid broke a law. That, however, does not address the larger question of why police are expending resources launching investigations into the private lives of personal citizens without justifiable cause. Further, the implications of officers "e-friending" random citizens and investigating them as suspects under false pretenses. It's like having an unmarked patrol car on your tail constantly despite no warrant or authorization to have you followed.

    I don't know how things work in the UK, but that's not how our justice system works here in America.

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm sure that's not the point.
    I think so.

    Entrapment. The police approached him through private social networking without any provocation to form an investigation against him. It was basically taking a peek into his personal life without any justification.
    Does the police officer need to be provocated to enforce the law?

    That, however, does not address the larger question of why police are expending resources launching investigations into the private lives of personal citizens without justifiable cause.
    What resources are being "expended"?

    And how is a police officer looking at a citizens facebook infringing their private life? A few pictures and status update, or the "about me" section? Unless he went indepth to describe his life on that, i doubt such vauge information can be considered a violation of privacy and i dont see any reason under law or otherwise why he would need authorization to add him on Facebook, and its nothing he couldnt have obtained on police computers anyway.

    Further, the implications of officers "e-friending" random citizens and investigating them as suspects under false pretenses.
    He wasnt a random citizen, somebody tipped the authorities.

    It's like having an unmarked patrol car on your tail constantly despite no warrant or authorization to have you followed.
    I dont believe so.
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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I think so.



    Does the police officer need to be provocated to enforce the law?
    He has to have probably cause to launch an investigation into a specific citizen's life. Further, to undertake any kind of surveillance or deceptive measures to coerce a confession, there has to be probable cause to instigate interrogation to start with.

    What resources are being "expended"?
    If an officer is flitering through facebook, that's one less officer on the beat keeping the streets safe.

    And how is a police officer looking at a citizens facebook infringing their private life?
    That's not. But when they deceptively start "befriending" people seeking confession for a crime they never had any kind of provocation to investigate to start with, that is an infringement on a person's rights.

    A few pictures and status update, or the "about me" section? Unless he went indepth to describe his life on that, i doubt such vauge information can be considered a violation of privacy and i dont see any reason under law or otherwise why he would need authorization to add him on Facebook, and its nothing he couldnt have obtained on police computers anyway.
    That's not the point. The point is that they undertook deceptive practices to interrogate and coerce a confession given under false pretenses. They bypassed his Miranda Rights entirely by using a false identity to peek into his personal life.

    He wasnt a random citizen, somebody tipped the authorities.
    He was a random citizen to the police. His facebook information was obtained through a process of entrapment.

    I dont believe so.
    You don't have to believe so. But that doesn't change it being what it is.

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    WTF!?

    Is it ok for the police to use facebook and other social websites to *enforce* the law? I think this is a privacy issue.

    What do you think?
    This is pathetic. How about the cops spend their time making our country a safer place, rather than screwing with kids.
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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    This is pathetic. How about the cops spend their time making our country a safer place, rather than screwing with kids.
    I agree, the time would be better spent looking for illegal immigrants....

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    I agree, the time would be better spent looking for illegal immigrants....
    And now you are trolling multiple threads. Reported.

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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    I agree, the time would be better spent looking for illegal immigrants....
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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    This is pathetic. How about the cops spend their time making our country a safer place, rather than screwing with kids.
    They've never done that before so why would they start now?
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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    They've never done that before so why would they start now?
    Eh, wishful thinking on my part. Not all cops are like this, though. My father was a Los Angeles County Sherriff's deputy and he ignored blatant drug users on the street. He mainly sought to end domestic violence, murder, theft, etc. His line of logic was that there was no point in arresting people who were not endangering or hurting others. I guess that's where some of my views come from.
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    Re: Facebook friend turns into Big Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And now you are trolling multiple threads. Reported.
    I see....
    It's trolling when you disagree with my position....
    Ok, how about they spend that time on DUI patrol?....
    Or better yet looking for prostitution or kiddie porn offenders....

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