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Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"

Most wingnut pundits would not know what this does, since they have not had this experience.

given the stocking of the bestseller shelves in the barnes and nobles i went to today; i'd have to disagree. they seem to be doing quite a good business in reading and writing books.
 
thats for sure. Fear mongering doesn't really work on the educated

ah. is that why the response to global warming hysteria from the Right is mostly made up of peals of laughter? :)
 
No he isn't.

according to him, he is.

That is the role of government in general; to maintain the existing social order.

no, the role of government is to protect individual rights. social order can change as society does.

The same still applies. The actions of the Obama administration are pretty clearly completely unrelated to anything socialist.

most of them are corporatist, that is true. but to pretend that elements are not socialist is.... well, sort of silly. we have a semi-socialist government at present, you think he is pushing hard-core for free market reforms of (say) Medicare?
 
One of the most accurate posts in this tread so far.

A socialist in this country would be a conservative in most of the rest of the world.

Remember...

"back when Dwight Eisenhower and the socialists controlled Washington, the top marginal tax rate was 91 percent. It's now 35, and so on down the line."

"Actually, the 2004 election was a perfect illustration of that, essentially. Bush won by running as the nation's defender against gay married terrorists..."
The Conscience of a Liberal

Actually, I'd like to see a comparison between all taxes, not just income taxes. Sales tax, corporate tax, capital gains tax, etc.
 
Actually, I'd like to see a comparison between all taxes, not just income taxes. Sales tax, corporate tax, capital gains tax, etc.

Actually that doesn't matter.

What you really want (but don't know) is total effective tax rate. Statutory rates mean nothing in a complex system of deductions and credits.
 
Actually, I'd like to see a comparison between all taxes, not just income taxes. Sales tax, corporate tax, capital gains tax, etc.

I would too, it is very interesting that they were able back then to pay for almost half the cost of WWII through taxes, and additional amount through war bonds.

Since Reagan's and Bush's tax cuts, our tax revenues are too little for that, we have to put our wars on the tab for future generations to pay.
 
Beck may have something, just because he is a conservative doesn't mean that he cannot think.
I have advocated this for years. We can, if we open our minds ,learn much from the Orientials..
This is also common sense..
 
Beck may have something, just because he is a conservative doesn't mean that he cannot think.
I have advocated this for years. We can, if we open our minds ,learn much from the Orientials..
This is also common sense..

yea man, i take heavy interest in their philosophy. :cool:
 
Beck may have something, just because he is a conservative doesn't mean that he cannot think.
I have advocated this for years. We can, if we open our minds ,learn much from the Orientials..
This is also common sense..

Art of War would be one big example.
 
I sure hope Beck knows what the Chinese does that us Americans don't.
 
This post is so long - and I'm in so late.
But I can never shut my trap . . . :mrgreen:


I see this:

When Obama speaks out in favor of something Chinese-related and looks to them in a possitive light the Right get pissed. . . and Obama becomes president.

When Glenn Beck references the Chinese in a similar 'possitive light' and looks to them in some measure the Left get pissed . . . (don't worry, Beck won't become president).

So now that everyone on the Left is pissed - why are you pissed?
What, only Democrats are allowed to stay ignorant, favorable things about the Chinese government or something? That's stupid. If you're mad at Beck - we're you mad at Obama when similar things came out of his mouth?

You know - I know the Chinese have a bad record of citizen/government issues in their past - but they're not all bad. Unfortunately, our stupid goverment LOVES to lean on the Chinese government as support when we're in "need" of "money" - we're in debt to them forever, now (an, no, it's not all Bush's debt).

However, I don't want our country to mirror theirs in any way - So I get equally riled over all pro-Chinese sentiments no matter who says them. . . and so should everyone else.

 
Unfortunately, our stupid goverment LOVES to lean on the Chinese government as support when we're in "need" of "money" - we're in debt to them forever, now (an, no, it's not all Bush's debt).

Half of it is Bush's debt.

09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Another huge chunk is Reagan's - he didn't just double the debt like Bush did, he almost tripled it.

09/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 * 1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 * 1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 * 1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 * 1,142,034,000,000.00
09/30/1981 * 997,855,000,000.00
09/30/1980 * 907,701,000,000.00

And before you claim a democratic congress during these years, go look it up and you'll find the Senate was majority Republicans for most of these years. The Democrats had control only for 2 of Bush's years and 2 of Reagans. The other 12 years were ALL REPUBLICAN.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm
 
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Re: Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"

Well, I think a large portion of the country could start with baby steps.

Merely beginning to think. That would be nice.

See post above; Statistics without context. No thinking.

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Merely beginning to think. That would be nice.

See post above; Statistics without context. No thinking.

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I encourage you to positively decide to begin to think.
It won't take long before you'll be able to make sense of the statistics, I promise you. :)
 
O-o-okay...like hmmm, I knows Iz beens gone a year, buts, who is dis morons?
What causes a speech impediment on the internetz?
 
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