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    Re: Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"

    Quote Originally Posted by Neitzluber View Post
    What is Marxism?

    Marxism is the political philosophy and economic worldview based upon a materialist interpretation of history, a Marxist analysis of capitalism, a theory of social change, and an atheist view of human liberation derived from the work of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels; three primary aspects of Marxism are:
    The dialectical and materialist concept of history Humankind's history is fundamentally that of the struggle between social classes. The productive capacity of society is the foundation of society, and as this capacity increases over time the social relations of production, class relations, evolve through this struggle of the classes and pass through definite stages (primitive communism, slavery, feudalism, capitalism). The legal, political, ideological and other aspects (ex. art) of society are derived from these production relations as is the consciousness of the individuals of which the society is composed.
    The critique of capitalism In capitalist society, an economic minority (the bourgeoisie) dominate and exploit the working class (proletariat) majority. Marx uncovered the interworkings of capitalist exploitation, the specific way in which unpaid labor (surplus value) is extracted from the working class labor theory of value, extending and critiquing the work of earlier political economists value. Although the production process is socialized, ownership remains in the hand of the bourgeosie. This forms the fundamental contradiction of capitalist society. Without the elimination of the fetter of the private ownership of the means of production, human society is unable to achieve further development.
    Advocacy of proletarian revolution In order to overcome the fetters of private property the working class must seize political power internationally through a social revolution and expropriate the capitalist classes around the world and place the productive capacities of society into collective ownership. Upon this, material foundation classes would be abolished and the material basis for all forms of inequality between humankind would dissolve.

    What has Obama done?

    Nothing of the sort.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUsNMsrGycY&feature=related"]YouTube- Obama - student of Marxist professors - his own words[/ame]

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    Re: Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    Unsure what PCF is, but adding commentary helps to spur the discussion. We are not an agreement forum, we are a discuss and debate forum. Agreement forums are no fun.

    The rules in the news forums up here are different as links from mainstream are required. I moved the thread here in case something could be made from this thread somehow some news will spur. Still kinda lost. lol
    PCF is the abbreviation for another political forum on the internet, political crossfire. They demand a link and "substantial opinion" for every political thread started there or else a moderator will lock it.

    Thanks for the explanation.
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    Re: Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"

    Quote Originally Posted by Vauge
    Are you saying that the Chinese are bad people?
    No we're saying they are commo's and we should be thinking the exact opposite of the Chinese.
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    Re: Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    China is an ancient culture. It's a common expression that the Chinese think in centuries. That's all Beck meant.

    You people are desperate.
    Absolutely correct!!!

    IF the Author of this thread had a single clue or had BOTHERED to or watch the speech (same for those responded on that line) then he simply wouldn't have wasted his time or credibility.. he probably picked it up from Keith Flogmybrid or some other richly ingenious progressive!

    As it is he fell on his sword for naught.... credibility is a terrible thing to waste!

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    Re: Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"

    when Beck becomes president he will turn into an obedient puppy of the globalists just like Obama.

    its easy to make promises. hard to keep them.

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    Re: Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"

    For once, I agree with what I think Glenn Beck is saying here, that America (politicians) needs a long-term economic/commerce plan. However, what Glenn Beck forgets is that America does NOT retain its elected officials in government "indefinitely". There are term-limits in this country and with each individual elected to office - be it the Presidency or to Congress regardless of political party - each brings a separate agenda. In fact, it is the President who sets that agenda. The only way a 100-year plan would work in this country is if a law went into effect that spanned a century of active management or was amended based on the changes over time, but remained in force. It could happen....I mean, here it is 200 years later and we still rely on the Constitution. But I digress...

    The only constants this nation truly have are: the right to vote in the election process and capitalism. And the Constitution. But asking a successive Congress and/or consecutive Presidents to adhere to a 100-year plan...sorry, but somehow I don't see that as practical except by law.

    Good idea, but I really don't see how that will ever be executed in this country. Now, the people do need to get back to financial basics by saving more and living within their means. I think that more than anything else will put this nation on better economic footing in the future...well, that and buy Government bonds.
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    Re: Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"

    We do need to be more like China where government does not interfere with privately owned business.

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    Re: Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    We do need to be more like China where government does not interfere with privately owned business.
    Since when?

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    Re: Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    No we're saying they are commo's and we should be thinking the exact opposite of the Chinese.
    The Chinese people aren't communist, at least not many of them.

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    Re: Glenn Beck: "We need to start thinking like the Chinese"

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Since when?
    Haven't you heard? The majority of China's economy is private now. Their government has been stepping away.

    And just when you thought capitalism was dead.

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