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    Re: Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip

    You get into some of the truckstops, particularly the western part of the country and the waitresses get to know youíre a good tipper, you get some of the best services around if it is some of the older, more experienced waitresses.

    For example, never having to worry about the coffee cup going empty, regardless of how busy the place is, or getting a crappy table/booth, or if they know that you and a few few of your buds that you run with will be coming in at a certain time; viola, the reserved sign on that back table disappears as four truckers set down. Did I say that at these stops my tips start at 25%? Well worth it, when the wheels are moving thatís when the meter is ticking.
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    Re: Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip

    If you are a frequent customer, being memorable can really work in your favor. As part of the tip I always leave a dollar coin as it is one more way to stand out from the crowd. Some places, I leave a note of thanks as well. One woman told me that the notes were very helpful when she was being considered for a pay raise and better hours.

    Being nice to service personnel doesn't take much effort and can go a long way to making that persons day more pleasant. It seldom makes yours less so.

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    Re: Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    Is a "gratuity" required?

    I've always thought the extra added gratuity for groups of 6 or more are actually part of the bill and I *never* tip above that.

    LOL, they should have forced the bar to split the ticket....no we are not a 'party/group' we just want to sit together.


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    What do you think?
    I tip five bucks minimum and that's if the service is AWFUL and there's no excuse for it. I've had a waiter spill my order in my lap (wasn't her fault, one of the other waiters ran into her) and I still tipped 22% of the bill.

    When I go out to dinner, I take into account that my bill is going to be 22-30% higher than what it says on the check. If I get really bad service, then I still tip something. These people deal with horrible, rude assholes all day and night. Many are college educated and do this as a second job or are paying their way through school. Some are teachers who have the second job to make ends meet, etc. When you go out to dinner and served by another human being, you plan to reward them for it or you don't go out.

    And besides, 16% referenced in the OP is shamefully low to start with. Gratuity should be 10% for acceptable service, 22-25% for good service, and 25-30% for great service.

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    Re: Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And besides, 16% referenced in the OP is shamefully low to start with. Gratuity should be 10% for acceptable service, 22-25% for good service, and 25-30% for great service.
    Depends on the restaurant and the waiter. I have been in a really expensive place where 3 of us spent 1.5 hours, $400 on food and saw the waiter exactly 4 times and never when we were trying to get his attention. There was no way that he had earned a $100 tip. He got $15 and an explanation to the manager as to why. The manager agreed.

    A place like this a good waiter can take home $1500 per night. And if management is paying attention, only good waiters will get hired there.

    Had these people talked to the manager and explained why they felt the staff didn't earn a tip, then the situation may have turned out differently.

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    Re: Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So the chef a higher paid person screws up your order. Should the service person have to pay for that?
    Depends if the food is crap or the service is crap. I had two situations.

    One where the food was bad, the waitress was really good about getting the order replaced.

    The second situation with the food being bad, the waitress was a bitch about it and acted like I was just an inconvenience to her.

    The woman in the first case got an excellent tip, the woman in the second case did not get a good tip.

    I don't hold the waitress/waiter responsible for the bad food, but if her/his service is bad in getting it replaced (i.e. they have an attitude about it), then it is on her/him.

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    Re: Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip

    What cop in their right mind would actually do this?

    The police department in question is running a giant risk here of a lawsuit. If the couple play their cards right, they could walk away with a fair sum of money. If this ever goes to court, a half decent judge is going to dismiss the case against the couple immediately. I bet right now that the top cop in the area is sweating over this.
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    Re: Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What cop in their right mind would actually do this?

    The police department in question is running a giant risk here of a lawsuit. If the couple play their cards right, they could walk away with a fair sum of money. If this ever goes to court, a half decent judge is going to dismiss the case against the couple immediately. I bet right now that the top cop in the area is sweating over this.
    Oh I doubt it. Theft of service is a real crime and not taken lightly.

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    Re: Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I wouldn't be able to keep my mouth shut if I had a friend that did this.
    I'm not sure we're really friends, but I worked with her and we still communicate. I keep my mouth shut cause she is on the poor side, but as someone said, if you can't afford to tip, go to Mickey D's. I think she's used to her fellow diner's leaving the rest of the tip for her. I don't think she's alone in the tipping world, either. There are a lot of tightwads.
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    Re: Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Oh I doubt it. Theft of service is a real crime and not taken lightly.
    Except you'd have to prove theft of services applies here.
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    Re: Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Except you'd have to prove theft of services applies here.
    If it is posted in that restaurant that a 16% gratuity is attached to parties of 6 or more or whatever the sign says, then the only defense for not paying the bill as presented is to prove that the signage was not clearly visible to the customer.

    I highly doubt that's the case.

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