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    Re: Cop Tases 10-Year-Old Gir

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Weeeeeell........

    I have yet to form a positive opinion about anyone who was involved in this incident: girl, mom or cop.

    But, Caine is correct: it doesn't take much strength to seriously injure someone kicking them in the nads. A ruptured testicle is a serious and long-term problem that can change your life.

    Tasers... we didn't have them when I was a cop. Maybe I'm not really qual'd to comment on their use. My opinion is they are not as safe as billed and possibly overused, but I've never trained on the modern tasers or been zapped with one, so my opinion might not be as well-founded as I'd like.

    I still find it hard to see using one on a 10yo girl, but then again I wasn't there...she might have looked like the demon child from The Exorcist for all I know.

    Still, if I were a Judge hearing this as a case, I'd be sorely tempted to tell each of these individuals in turn...
    Girl: You're a horrible brat who needs her ass beat with a belt every day for the next three months so you learn to respect your mother's authority.
    Mother: Your parenting skills are nonexistant; you are a disgrace to motherhood. Get your frigging tubes tied TODAY.
    Cop: WTF were you thinking? Did it not occur to you that tasering a 10 year old girl, whether it was justifiable or not, was surely going to make news, and it DAYUM sure was not going to make your or your department look good to the general public??
    Regardless, there's no reason for the cops to have been there in the first place. It's piss poor parenting and unnecessary government intervention. And if a cop can't handle a 10 year old girl, then what's he doing on the force? I don't care what people say about blah blah blah. I don't see parents running around needing tasers when their kids act up, there's no need for the cop to have used his. No need for him to have been there in the first place. Guess what? Kids will throw tantrums from time to time. It's called life, deal with it.
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    Re: Cop Tases 10-Year-Old Gir

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Have you?

    So 3000 volts shooting through your body doesnt hurt?
    its actually 50,000

    and it hurts, but does not cause injury

    that is what we are discussing.

    to say OMG HE IS CAUSING PAIN is stupid.

    Thats what we are taught about subject control and arrest techniques, the most effective way beyond "verbal judo" is "pain compliance".
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    Re: Cop Tases 10-Year-Old Gir

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    its actually 50,000

    and it hurts, but does not cause injury

    that is what we are discussing.

    to say OMG HE IS CAUSING PAIN is stupid.

    Thats what we are taught about subject control and arrest techniques, the most effective way beyond "verbal judo" is "pain compliance".
    It doesnt cause burns?

    Funny, ive seen first hand accounts that say otherwise.
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    Re: Cop Tases 10-Year-Old Gir

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    its actually 50,000

    and it hurts, but does not cause injury

    that is what we are discussing.

    to say OMG HE IS CAUSING PAIN is stupid.

    Thats what we are taught about subject control and arrest techniques, the most effective way beyond "verbal judo" is "pain compliance".
    They have been known to cause death, and those statistics about not overall causing injury I'm pretty sure were experiments on adults; not children. There's a difference between the two.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Cop Tases 10-Year-Old Gir

    Quote Originally Posted by Blizzard View Post
    Heh. My stepdad was a cop too. And he had (and still has) the "old school" mentality to some extent, Italian Catholic that he is. And he and my mom gave me my share of spankings (with paddles and belts, hands being too delicate), soap insertions, and "traditional" punishment with a strictly hierarchical relationship. That lasted until the day I was taller and heavier than him and slammed him into the wall opposite my bedroom door when he tried to **** with me again, after which he never tried to "discipline" me again. The mark is still there.

    I suppose boys will be boys, and girls are different, after all, even if this one ain't exactly sugar and spice. And I suppose that she'll never be able to get the power that I got as a result of her unchosen sex. And even if she's able to eventually overpower her mother, it'll mean nothing if she brings some man into the picture to beat her down for her. But honestly, now...that's the kind of mentality more prevalent in fundamentalist Muslim states and such than an advanced Western country, which is why the good ole' U S of A sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the other Western democracies when it comes to our attitudes on this.

    Sigh.

    I'll try once more. Apparently if I don't write a book people think I advocate abuse.

    Children raised in a balanced environment of love, involvement, relationship and discipline tend to thrive, and grow up to be productive and law-abiding citizens.

    Children raised in a home with love and indulgence and no discipline tend to grow up to be brats at best; frequently criminals; sometimes sheer horrors.

    Applying a belt to a child's buttocks will not kill or maim the child, if done correctly. Discipline should always be applied with consistency and dispassion: if you are angry, do not discipline your child until you are calm. Spankings should generally be reserved for relatively serious matters like safety issues or open defiance. Lesser misbehavior should preferably be handled with lesser discipline.

    Children under 5 are not easily reasoned with, and talk-talk-talk does not often make much of an impression. Pain does. Where the issue in question is sufficiently serious, like safety or willful defiance, the pain of a spanking will make the connection and alter the behavior like nothing else will.

    If you do it right before they are 5, you will rarely need to spank them after they are 6-8 yrs old in most cases, because you will have internalized certain things to their minds in a way that will stick with them, namely: respect authority; being bad brings pain.

    I raised a child by this method who is now a teen. He loves and respects me, his manners and behavior are regularly praised by teachers and strangers, he is happy and well-adjusted. I have had no need to lay a finger on him in years, because I "did it right" when he was small.

    BTW, he is also bigger than me now... and he still isn't intrested in starting anything serious with Daddy.

    I've seen the pathetic results of the "modern enlightened parenting methods", and I'll stick with my own methods, thank you very much.


    The girl in this story is 10 years old. To be frank, it may well be too late to correct her behavior with the proper combination of love and discipline to turn her into a model child. If you don't start by 5, you have a lot more trouble making the correction. Still, if her mother applied my formula consistently and starting immediately, she might have a chance of raising a child whose life won't be a total tragedy and waste.

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    Re: Cop Tases 10-Year-Old Gir

    I think both physical spankings and alternative forms of punishment can be used correctly or abused. The vast majority of my friends and colleges do not use a form of physical punishment like spanking. Yet they are well able to keep control and raise their children properly in a loving, disciplined environment. While you can get the spoiled rotten child, you can also get the abused child from the other method. So you don't have to throw out the baby with the bath water. Spanking and other forms of physical punishment can be used to achieve wanted results if used properly. But so can methods which avoid physical punishment.

    As for this case: Taze the cop in the throat (I heard it does no damage, so it should be ok), punch the mom in the face, and give the girl an icecream cone. Done and done. Heheh
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    Re: Cop Tases 10-Year-Old Gir

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They have been known to cause death, and those statistics about not overall causing injury I'm pretty sure were experiments on adults; not children. There's a difference between the two.
    Not to forget the epilepsy they have be known to trigger or the heart attacks, especially on the younger and older victims.
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    Re: Cop Tases 10-Year-Old Gir

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    It doesnt cause burns?

    Funny, ive seen first hand accounts that say otherwise.

    I don't consider burns to be INJURY when compared with the alternatives...

    I.E. Long term scrotal damage.... Broken Arms from trying to resist an officer forcibly restraining her arm.

    You know zero about this topic it is clear from your responses.
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    Re: Cop Tases 10-Year-Old Gir

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I don't consider burns to be INJURY when compared with the alternatives...
    Of course you dont it doesnt suit you when clearly they are injuries.

    I.E. Long term scrotal damage.... Broken Arms from trying to resist an officer forcibly restraining her arm.
    Brain damage from electrical shock, epilepsy which can trigger all sorts of neurological problems, heart attack from the shock.
    Broken arms trying to resist a little girl?
    Dont think so.

    You know zero about this topic it is clear from your responses.
    Ad-Hominem.
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    Re: Cop Tases 10-Year-Old Gir

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They have been known to cause death, and those statistics about not overall causing injury I'm pretty sure were experiments on adults; not children. There's a difference between the two.
    Was this child injured?
    ...........
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