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    Re: The $100 Million Health Care Vote?

    This bill does nothing to contain the spiraling costs of healthcare,but simply adds to that cost and shifts it from "rich" to "poor",and then ultimately to the healthcare providers.

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    Re: The $100 Million Health Care Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by underdog334 View Post
    This bill does nothing to contain the spiraling costs of healthcare,but simply adds to that cost and shifts it from "rich" to "poor",and then ultimately to the healthcare providers.
    Of course not.

    The 800-lb gorilla of Messiah Care isn't the costs.

    It isn't the health.

    It's the power the politicians gain by making a further 1/6 of the national economy dependent on them. When the government owns the hospitals, hospices, and clinics, when the government has absorbed the clerks now employed by the soon-to-be defunct insurance companies, they all get goonionized and SEIU's leadership is given stronger strings to pull.

    Power to the people...

    ....who run the government and the goonions.

    That's what the "healthcare" debate isn't debating at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Got a source more reliable than a blog?
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    http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...e-care-act.pdf

    It starts on pg. 432
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    Re: The $100 Million Health Care Vote?

    Doesn't sound so crazy...

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    Re: The $100 Million Health Care Vote?

    Let's see what did Obama say; President Obama's Pledge Never to Raise Taxes on Anyone Making Less Than $250000 a Year - Google Videos

    And what is in the Reid version of Obama's I Don't Really Care Abut Your Health Plan?

    1.40% excise tax on health coverage in excess of $8,500 (individuals) / $23,000 (families). Amounts are indexed for inflation by CPI-U + 1% – begins in 2013 – $149 B tax increase
    2.Additional 0.5% Medicare (Hospital Insurance) tax on wages in excess of $200,000 ($250,000 for joint filers) – begins in 2013 – $54 B tax increase
    3.Impose annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs – begins in 2010 – $22 B tax increase
    4.Impose annual fee on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices – begins in 2010 – $19 B tax increase
    5.Impose annual fee on manufacturers and importers of health insurance plans – begins in 2010 – $60 B tax increase
    6.Cut in half (to $500K) the amount of an executive’s compensation that a health plan can deduct from its corporate income taxes – begins in 2013 – $600 million tax increase
    7.Impose 5% excise tax on cosmetic surgery and similar procedures – begins for surgery in 2010 – $6 B tax increase!
    In total the bill would raise taxes by $370 B over ten years.

    Gee this means Obama lied, so what's new.
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    It took a "perfect storm" to empower the left of the Democratic Party. So many Democratic senators and congressmen seem like they're willing to fall on their swords in order to enact some form of the PO. Maybe that's because they know this moment will not happen again in their lifetimes.

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    The $100 Million Health Care Vote?

    The $100 Million Health Care Vote


    Quote Originally Posted by ABC
    What does it take to get a wavering senator to vote for health care reform?

    Here’s a case study.

    On page 432 of the Reid bill, there is a section increasing federal Medicaid subsidies for “certain states recovering from a major disaster.”

    The section spends two pages defining which “states” would qualify, saying, among other things, that it would be states that “during the preceding 7 fiscal years” have been declared a “major disaster area.” I am told the section applies to exactly one state: Louisiana, the home of moderate Democrat Mary Landrieu, who has been playing hard to get on the health care bill.

    In other words, the bill spends two pages describing would could be written with a single world: Louisiana. (This may also help explain why the bill is long.) Senator Harry Reid, who drafted the bill, cannot pass it without the support of Louisiana’s Mary Landrieu.

    How much does it cost? According to the Congressional Budget Office: $100 million.
    According to the article, this looks like a clear cut payoff (read: bribe) to gain Landrieu's key vote on the initial vote to pass the Senate health care debate. Something not contained in the ABC article is the FDA's sudden reversal on it's ban LA oysters, which is now set to be shelved for more "study".
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    Re: The $100 Million Health Care Vote?

    An update:

    Landrieu defends state funding in health bill - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

    Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu defended a provision in the health bill that would send $300 million to her state, saying it was not the reason she will vote in favor of moving the bill forward. Insiders questioned whether the money was dropped in as a sweetener to win her vote.

    ...

    And, in typical Louisiana fashion, Landrieu corrected reports, based on a Congressional Budget Office estimate, that the provision would cost $100 million. In fact, she said, it will bring home Louisiana $300 million.
    Great.
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