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    Major reforms delayed until 2014

    Major reforms delayed until 2014 - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

    The Senate bill pushes back implementation of major parts of the reform to 2014 -- a change from 2013 under the Finance Committee bill.

    This is bad news for lawmakers who will need to explain to constituents why the elements that have attracted the most attention -- the public plan, the Medicaid expansion and the insurance exchanges -- won't be available for four years.

    Some reforms would kick in earlier, Senate aides explained, but the big pieces would still be a ways off.
    Absolutely hilarious.

    So the bill will only cost $849b over the first decade while reducing the deficit by $127b...but that's only because it's balancing ten years of revenues against six years of expenditures.

    How on earth can anyone defend this?

    Here's the CBO report for those who care: http://www.politico.com/static/PPM13..._11_18_09.html
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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    Why do they keep calling it reform? Reform implies making something better. Last time I check the whole bill is nothing but ****.
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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Why do they keep calling it reform? Reform implies making something better. Last time I check the whole bill is nothing but ****.
    It's quite a dichotomy. "We need this health reform bill"! What health reform bill? All I see is just another health bill, implying that this bill is going to take away our health.

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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

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    Absolutely hilarious.

    So the bill will only cost $849b over the first decade while reducing the deficit by $127b...but that's only because it's balancing ten years of revenues against six years of expenditures.

    How on earth can anyone defend this?

    Here's the CBO report for those who care: http://www.politico.com/static/PPM13..._11_18_09.html

    The CBO says modest deficit reduction in the subsequent decade as well ....

    I'm not a fan of the big delay, and not sure if it's time to start arguing and debating specifics. There's still too much ground to cover before it gets close to its final form.


    This CBO will probably kill the Dem support of filibuster, however.

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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    More highlights:

    --Covers 94 percent of non-senior residents. By 2019, about 31 million more people would have insurance, leaving about 24 million uninsured -- about 8 million of which would be unauthorized immigrants.
    It's amusing how during the initial stages of reform, we constantly heard that "50 million Americans are uninsured." This aggravated me, because the 50 million figure included 8-10 million illegal immigrants, thus making it 40-42 million Americans.

    However, now that the bills are going through, the Democrats have completely reversed course. Now, they're hyping how the bill will cover "94% of Americans," a number that excludes illegal immigrants. If they were consistent with their earlier tactic of counting illegal immigrants, the number would be 92%. I wonder how often we'll see that number in their press releases.

    It's really something.

    --3-4 million would join the public plan or roughly 1 in 8 people buying insurance through the exchanges.
    The much heralded/maligned "public option" would cover approximately 1% of the country.
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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
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    It's amusing how during the initial stages of reform, we constantly heard that "50 million Americans are uninsured." This aggravated me, because the 50 million figure included 8-10 million illegal immigrants, thus making it 40-42 million Americans.

    However, now that the bills are going through, the Democrats have completely reversed course. Now, they're hyping how the bill will cover "94% of Americans," a number that excludes illegal immigrants. If they were consistent with their earlier tactic of counting illegal immigrants, the number would be 92%. I wonder how often we'll see that number in their press releases.

    It's really something.



    The much heralded/maligned "public option" would cover approximately 1% of the country.


    The 94% ain't new .... it's just the Finance Committee version. And .... the meager availability of the public option pisses me off. No defenses offered for that. Hopefully they'll beef it up in amendment process, or conference.

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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    I don't like the accounting tricks they do to make things seem less expensive. Just admit what it costs, and pass it, and implement it now. I also think it's a bit of a failure if it doesn't cover 100% of Americans. There's some good stuff in there no doubt, but I was hoping for more of an overhaul (and knew I'd never see it, but could hope).

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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    The CBO says modest deficit reduction in the subsequent decade as well ....
    That's in large part due to the fact that the added Medicare payroll tax is not indexed to inflation, meaning that it will hit an ever increasing number of people as time passes, much like the AMT currently does. What do you want to bet that we start seeing a "Medicare payroll tax patch" introduced year after year to "fix" that problem?

    I'm not a fan of the big delay, and not sure if it's time to start arguing and debating specifics. There's still too much ground to cover before it gets close to its final form.

    This CBO will probably kill the Dem support of filibuster, however.
    I mean, if that was their only goal, why not pull out all the stops? Delay the spending parts until 2019 while implementing the cuts/taxes now. Then they can claim to pass a health care bill that cuts the deficit by $1t while costing absolutely nothing.

    This is just making a mockery of the budgeting process.
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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    This once again proves that our politicians are incapable of writing legislation that doesn't screw their constituents.

    I'll go ahead and make my sign for whenever I am homeless "College Educated, Will Work For Health Insurance"
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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That's in large part due to the fact that the added Medicare payroll tax is not indexed to inflation, meaning that it will hit an ever increasing number of people as time passes, much like the AMT currently does. What do you want to bet that we start seeing a "Medicare payroll tax patch" introduced year after year to "fix" that problem?



    I mean, if that was their only goal, why not pull out all the stops? Delay the spending parts until 2019 while implementing the cuts/taxes now. Then they can claim to pass a health care bill that cuts the deficit by $1t while costing absolutely nothing.

    This is just making a mockery of the budgeting process.

    Their goal is not no implementation of the exchanges, so I'm not sure how to respond to that. Actually, I'm going to assume you don't mean that comment, it's so absurd.

    I do hope the bennies are brought forward, and not pushed further back, though!

    However, the list of reforms that do start earlier is significant (from you OP link).

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