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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    Here we go:

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is touting the Senate’s newest health-care bill as costing $849 billion over 10 years. But this uses the same accounting trick as past versions: 99 percent of the costs don’t kick in until the fifth year of that “10 year” period. And the true 10-year costs are well over twice what Reid's advertising: $1.8 billion.

    The Democrats cite the bills’ projected costs from 2010-19. Yet, as the Congressional Budget Office reports, the bill would cost just $9 billion total from 2010 through 2013 — versus $147 billion in 2016 alone. In the first 40 percent of what the Democrats are calling the bill’s “first 10 years,” only 1 percent of its costs would yet have hit.

    As the CBO analysis indicates, the bill’s real 10-year costs would start in 2014. And in its true first decade (2014 to 2023), CBO projects the bill’s costs to be $1.8 trillion — double the price Reid is advertising.

    And that’s even though the CBO optimistically assumes the government-run “public option” wouldn’t cost a cent.
    Fantastic.

    It also adds:

    Among the $802 billion that Reid would divert from Medicare is $431 billion in cuts in doctors’ pay (far more than the misleading figure for 2010-19). The bill says it would cut payments to doctors for services to Medicare patients by 23 percent in 2011 — and never raise them back up, ever.

    No one who’s been in Washington for more than five minutes actually expects this reduction to occur — and if it doesn’t, then the Senate health bill would increase our deficits by $286 billion in its true first decade, according to CBO projections.
    Reid's fuzzy math
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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Among the $802 billion that Reid would divert from Medicare is $431 billion in cuts in doctors’ pay (far more than the misleading figure for 2010-19). The bill says it would cut payments to doctors for services to Medicare patients by 23 percent in 2011 — and never raise them back up, ever.
    Add that to this little tid bit, and it's easy to see the destruction of health care in the US.

    Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.

    The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby — the powerful American Medical Association — both of which suggest the medical profession is behind the proposed overhaul.

    It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the doctors polled disagree with the administration's claim that the government can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost.
    Investors.com - 45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    It requires an intense "willing suspension of disbelief".


    I am still trying to figure out why we are systematically attempting to dismantle arguably the best healthcare system the world has ever had.

    I am not surprised this is delayed. People are practically revolting over all this sudden "hope and change"
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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

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    Our representatives and senators are in the wrong profession. They should be selling used cars.
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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Add that to this little tid bit, and it's easy to see the destruction of health care in the US.



    Investors.com - 45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
    If any of you have friends or family on Medicare/Medicaid you already know that many doctors will simply refuse to see you because of cost caps. What these people are often left with are lower quality doctors and facilities.

    I suspect we will see alot more of this with any government public option.

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    Re: Major reforms delayed until 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So the bill will only cost $849b over the first decade while reducing the deficit by $127b...but that's only because it's balancing ten years of revenues against six years of expenditures.

    How on earth can anyone defend this?
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