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    Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    The big picture here is simple...

    Bowing before other world leaders or various other "miscues" in the Obama World...Yeah, yeah, yeah...It's NOT the end of the world...

    But these ARE examples of broken protocol, failure of leadership, and a willingness to insult America's OWN "local customs" (Like not putting his hand over his heart during a rendition of OUR national anthem or refusing to wear a lapel pin with the American flag)...I guess offending THOSE "cultural sensitivities" are hunky-dory when the offended are a large portion of the people he says he wanted to represent...

    At some point, (and I'm generalizing here) the "Right" would like an admission from Obama's supporters that the person they voted for DID SOMETHING WRONG instead of saying "That's so small it doesn't need to be worried about."...

    I hate to tell you, but 300 "small things" is a big thing...It's a pattern that, at SOME point, the average person would start to question his actions...

    But instead, EVERYTHING that Obama has done is defended with vigor instead of a simple admission of "Yeah...OK...THAT ONE is pretty stupid and offensive"...

    Giving the leader of the United Kingdom DVDs as a gift???....And they don't even work on that continent???....

    "No problem" Obama supporters say...Maybe Gordon Brown was stupid for not having an American-style DVD player handy for emergency situations...

    Giving the Queen of England an iPod filled with speeches of himself?...."That's not narcissism...That's elegance.", they say...

    Bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia?...

    "I didn't see any bow!" yells the President's spokesperson Robert Gibbs, as if auditioning for Sergeant Schultz in a remake of Hogan's Heroes...

    Hell!...even the Secretary of State got into the mix when she had a button that was SUPPOSED to say "RESET" on a button showing how relations were to start fresh with Russia and the button said "OVERCHARGED"...

    Isolated, these may be simple mistakes...

    But the PATTERN shows that the current administration is inept, lacking discipline, is lazy in it's knowledge of protocol, and still hasn't gotten past the first three pages of a book on leadership skills...

    I'm sure Obama detractors aren't 100% correct in every single accusation, but I'm equally sure his supporters aren't 100% correct either...But they sure do think they are...

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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Obama is against gay-marriage.

    I think that's wrong and I want to beat some sense into him over that one. It's a way bigger issue than ANY of the ones you list.

    There. You happy now? Obama is wrong about something.
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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Obama is against gay-marriage.

    I think that's wrong and I want to beat some sense into him over that one. It's a way bigger issue than ANY of the ones you list.

    There. You happy now? Obama is wrong about something.
    Someone on my forum where I originally wrote this went the same route you just did...

    I'll repost my response there here...

    Here's the key...

    I'm NOT talking about policy...

    EVERY politician in the world doesn't do everything in 100% agreement with their constituents...His stance (or lack of) of "Don't ask; Don't tell" and same-sex marriages are pefect examples of that...

    I'm talking about the leadership...

    To be frank, there are millions of people that honestly believe this guy craps sundaes with sprinkles and whatever he does is correct...

    Insulting the Special Olympics...Going to Europe for 1 day to speak on behalf of Chicago for the 2016 Olympics without having his staff see to it he wouldn't look like a dope coming in last place beforehand...Van Jones and a host of admitted socialists in his administration...Canceling a meeting with the Dali Lama to appease China...Refusing to use and e-verification system for contributions during the campaign...Clueless without a teleprompter...Giving a "shoutout" before calling attention to the death of soldiers at the hands of a terrorist...calling the Constitution flawed and the founding fathers having a blind spot...an admission of redistributing wealth...renaming "Terrorism" to "man-caused disasters"...Hiring a guy who couldn't do his own taxes right to head the Teasury Department...

    You know I can go on all week with this...

    Some of these are small; some of them large...But it's amazing that there are people out there that have no problem with ANY of this...NONE!...zip...zilch...nada...

    It's almost as if I could start a thread saying "Obama did something today" and we'd get responses of "It was the right move" before even finding out what that "something" was...
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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Obama is against gay-marriage.

    I think that's wrong and I want to beat some sense into him over that one. It's a way bigger issue than ANY of the ones you list.

    There. You happy now? Obama is wrong about something.
    But you are not a liberal Obama supporter are you? Doesn't count. I want one of these rabid schnauzers to admin culpability.

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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    You can also add, his attacks on fox news, his indecisiveness in general, his calling of other Americans teabaggers.....


    we can also go into his racists statemnts, and his race baiting...... it all adds up...
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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by cnredd View Post
    The big picture here is simple...

    Bowing before other world leaders or various other "miscues" in the Obama World...Yeah, yeah, yeah...It's NOT the end of the world...

    But these ARE examples of broken protocol, failure of leadership, and a willingness to insult America's OWN "local customs" (Like not putting his hand over his heart during a rendition of OUR national anthem or refusing to wear a lapel pin with the American flag)...I guess offending THOSE "cultural sensitivities" are hunky-dory when the offended are a large portion of the people he says he wanted to represent...

    At some point, (and I'm generalizing here) the "Right" would like an admission from Obama's supporters that the person they voted for DID SOMETHING WRONG instead of saying "That's so small it doesn't need to be worried about."...

    I hate to tell you, but 300 "small things" is a big thing...It's a pattern that, at SOME point, the average person would start to question his actions...

    But instead, EVERYTHING that Obama has done is defended with vigor instead of a simple admission of "Yeah...OK...THAT ONE is pretty stupid and offensive"...

    Giving the leader of the United Kingdom DVDs as a gift???....And they don't even work on that continent???....

    "No problem" Obama supporters say...Maybe Gordon Brown was stupid for not having an American-style DVD player handy for emergency situations...

    Giving the Queen of England an iPod filled with speeches of himself?...."That's not narcissism...That's elegance.", they say...

    Bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia?...

    "I didn't see any bow!" yells the President's spokesperson Robert Gibbs, as if auditioning for Sergeant Schultz in a remake of Hogan's Heroes...

    Hell!...even the Secretary of State got into the mix when she had a button that was SUPPOSED to say "RESET" on a button showing how relations were to start fresh with Russia and the button said "OVERCHARGED"...

    Isolated, these may be simple mistakes...

    But the PATTERN shows that the current administration is inept, lacking discipline, is lazy in it's knowledge of protocol, and still hasn't gotten past the first three pages of a book on leadership skills...

    I'm sure Obama detractors aren't 100% correct in every single accusation, but I'm equally sure his supporters aren't 100% correct either...But they sure do think they are...

    cnredd
    did you post a similiar treatise on the bush admin's "mistakes"?

    pretty silly stuff, really.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Wanting to give us jail time for not getting health insurance?....ooops i think im in the wrong thread, Obama has done nothing wrong...

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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by cnredd View Post
    The big picture here is simple...

    Bowing before other world leaders or various other "miscues" in the Obama World...Yeah, yeah, yeah...It's NOT the end of the world...

    But these ARE examples of broken protocol, failure of leadership, and a willingness to insult America's OWN "local customs" (Like not putting his hand over his heart during a rendition of OUR national anthem or refusing to wear a lapel pin with the American flag)...I guess offending THOSE "cultural sensitivities" are hunky-dory when the offended are a large portion of the people he says he wanted to represent...

    At some point, (and I'm generalizing here) the "Right" would like an admission from Obama's supporters that the person they voted for DID SOMETHING WRONG instead of saying "That's so small it doesn't need to be worried about."...

    I hate to tell you, but 300 "small things" is a big thing...It's a pattern that, at SOME point, the average person would start to question his actions...

    But instead, EVERYTHING that Obama has done is defended with vigor instead of a simple admission of "Yeah...OK...THAT ONE is pretty stupid and offensive"...

    Giving the leader of the United Kingdom DVDs as a gift???....And they don't even work on that continent???....

    "No problem" Obama supporters say...Maybe Gordon Brown was stupid for not having an American-style DVD player handy for emergency situations...

    Giving the Queen of England an iPod filled with speeches of himself?...."That's not narcissism...That's elegance.", they say...

    Bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia?...

    "I didn't see any bow!" yells the President's spokesperson Robert Gibbs, as if auditioning for Sergeant Schultz in a remake of Hogan's Heroes...

    Hell!...even the Secretary of State got into the mix when she had a button that was SUPPOSED to say "RESET" on a button showing how relations were to start fresh with Russia and the button said "OVERCHARGED"...

    Isolated, these may be simple mistakes...

    But the PATTERN shows that the current administration is inept, lacking discipline, is lazy in it's knowledge of protocol, and still hasn't gotten past the first three pages of a book on leadership skills...

    I'm sure Obama detractors aren't 100% correct in every single accusation, but I'm equally sure his supporters aren't 100% correct either...But they sure do think they are...

    cnredd
    I may not be exactly who you're aiming at with this. I'm not a rabid supporter of him, but I did vote for him, and I think he's done an okay job as president so far.

    That being said, he's definitely had his fair share of miscues and screw-ups. Especially the Fox News thing. That was incredibly childish.

    I'm not sure what happened to the cool, polished guy we saw during his campaign.
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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    I love traditions, but what I love more is to know where the traditions came from. Indeed, the over the heart during the National Anthem and the Pledge is in the US Flag Code. So when was the US Flag Code developed? Knowing that many Conservatives who talk about traditional values are usually talking about the 1950's-I figured that's where this came from. My second guess would have been around or during a particuliar wartime.

    My first guess was wrong. It does date back before the 50's. The original rules for the Flag Code came the original "Flag Day" in 1923 (close to WW I). [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code"]United States Flag Code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] Then it became law (although there is no enforcement for it) back in 1942 (WW II, duh).

    According to wiki, the code is generally the same with one exception-The Bellamy Salute! What I don't understand is how they could simply dump this wonderful tradition of doing a kinda Hitler salute right at the end of the pledge toward the flag. It was a tradition for many years dating back to the 19th century. How dare that people stop doing it. It should have been included in the code. This kind of change demonstrates American weakness and as you can see, it occurred during the Socialist FDR's reign-- so there you go.

    In addition, I believe that the records of all Presidents prior to 1942 be stricken from the record as they did not have the patriotism to enact flag laws for the American people to follow. Yes, that includes you George Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, (you never see pictures with flag lapels on-strong evidence) although I think the fact that a code was developed allows Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover to escape sanction, but not the traitorous FDR for allowing a law to be passed and eliminating the Bellamy Salute (Note: Its only simliar to the Hitler salute-NOT the Hitler salute --it allows you to end the pledge by taking your hand from your heart and saluting the flag. A displace of love for the flag!).

    I echo the sentiment and big picture of the OP. Traditions are made to be upheld. All those who do not weaken America. All those who did not recognize how important it is to have traditions regarding the flag weaken America. Impeach Obama now for her traitorous actions. Remove the records of the past Presidents who did not respect the flag. God Bless America and our Flag!

    Balance the budget by cutting benefits to veterans and all others including senior citizens! What are we, Socialists? Everybody makes it as individuals-No government handouts or assistance to anybody! YES, I'm kidding!

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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I may not be exactly who you're aiming at with this. I'm not a rabid supporter of him, but I did vote for him, and I think he's done an okay job as president so far.

    That being said, he's definitely had his fair share of miscues and screw-ups. Especially the Fox News thing. That was incredibly childish.

    I'm not sure what happened to the cool, polished guy we saw during his campaign.
    You saw what you wanted to see.

    I saw a slimy, lying, POS that would say whatever he thought his audience wanted to hear and do whatever he thought would help him get elected.

    BTW, I thought McCain was the biggest mistake the Repubs could have made.

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