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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    it's great to see a center-right republican out there who thinks with reason. i agree with you.

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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    You saw what you wanted to see.

    I saw a slimy, lying, POS that would say whatever he thought his audience wanted to hear and do whatever he thought would help him get elected.

    BTW, I thought McCain was the biggest mistake the Repubs could have made.

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    We all see things differently. I certainly took everything he said with a grain of salt, just as I would with any politician. To me though, he seemed to be much more in control and poised before he was elected than after.
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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Cnredd, to a point I agree with you, however not completely.

    I do think some people EXTREMELY overreact on each little thing, blowing it up much bigger than needed and only after they're called on it do they try to relate it to the "Big picture" when in reality its clear they just want to drone on each little thing as if its the end of the world.

    And I don't agree with all the things that have been pointed out about Obama as being something that even factors into the discussion.

    Finally on these points, I do think it does a disservice to people who focus SO MUCH on the non-policy little things and treat each individual one like the end of the world, as it makes them look hysterical to the point where even when they bring up legitimate points later its like the boy who cried wolf.

    All that being said, like I originally stated, in theory I agree with you.

    Gaffes, mistakes, misques, bad judgement, stupid "little" things add up in the long run. Its a similar argument that I made during the election as to why the Reverend Wright thing bothered me so much...that it shows a lack of judgement in other people, judgement that has shown as times gone on have been correctly guessed as poor (Van Jones for instance).

    To IGNORE them completely and act like they're not there does an equal disservice to those rabidly going after each little one like its the start of WWIII.

    Now before someone starts calling me a partisan or asks me if I said this about Bush...

    Yes.

    I've been hammered as a "fake conservative" for it previously, but I had no issue commenting on the stupid things Bush did. While his folksy way of speaking and accent was perhaps good for interacting with small crowds or those that supported him, it was not a charismatic public persona. His akwardness and bumbling of words made him look dumber than I believe he is. His many gaffes were embarassing to see from a President. Yes, while many were trumped up by a Media that would not dare likely have highlighted it to an equal degree if it was Obama there was still a fair amount even in just normally televisied situations.

    However, you did find a number of conservatives that at least would freely admit to his more benign downfalls while simultaneously saying something is a "non-issue". Rarely have I heard that from many Obama supporters (redress occasionally). Its generally always an excuse, always why its okay, always why its an over exaggeration, and rarely a "yes, that was stupid and he shouldn't have done it but on the large scale it doesn't matter much" unless it comes after a long back and forth or its accompanied by about 3 paragraphs of conservative bashing right after.

    The man is not perfect, he's not infallable, and he's got flaws. Admit to them. You can simultaneously admit that say, it was rather uncouth and poorly diplomatic to give the QUEEN of England an ipod filled with your own speeches wile also stating that on the grand scope of things such an act is of little true importance and people making a giant deal of it are being grossly harsh on something of little consequence due to nothing but partisan reasons.

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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Gaffes, mistakes, misques, bad judgement, stupid "little" things add up in the long run.
    Any possibility that that many of the stupid "little" errors from our leaders that we all stress about (and this includes Bush and all Presidents in the internet era), come from the 24 hour news services (TV and internet), who often run out of things to cover so every little movement and action is magnified? Past leaders and Presidents didn't face this electronic revolution. In some ways it makes our leaders look more human. But our leaders in the past were human too and had to have made their share of "mistakes". But we don't really remember or have a history of their actions because their actions would not be covered like they are now.

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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    You saw what you wanted to see.

    I saw a slimy, lying, POS that would say whatever he thought his audience wanted to hear and do whatever he thought would help him get elected.

    BTW, I thought McCain was the biggest mistake the Repubs could have made.

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    Couldn’t agree with you more, except one small detail….

    McCain was chosen by the media... all other candidates were smeared because the media thought McCain was the weakest, easiest to beat.

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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Agree completely, its actually an argument I've made here before.

    Bush was the first President fully in power from start to finish during the full blown age of the Internet and 24 hour news cycle. Clinton had it a bit but it was still in its infancy really.

    Presidents are humans, just like the rest of us. They're prone to misspeak, say things that made sense in their head but not once they say it, slip and fall, whatever. Its just that in the days of FDR or Ronald Reagan every person didn't have a camera or video recorder on them like most do now with cell phones. Everyone didn't have a place where hundreds to millions of people could hear them speak, like blogs today. Everyone didn't have a place they could host their pictures, sound bites, or video like you have with photobucket and youtube. You didn't have ways to easily tell your story of what you just saw to dozen or hundreds of people like you do with email, IM, texting, and message boards today.

    Without question, be it politics, sports, or entertainment, the amount of privacy and margin for unseen error is reducing and the potential for having gaffes seen and questionable things found out is increasing.

    In todays world if George Bush said "I never, um, RE-AL-ized (broke down phoneticly) before, ummm, that day what it was, you know, like to really embrace jesus, to truly know him" at a small speaking ceremony within 48 hours "RE-AL-ized" would be found mockingly on message boards, a photoshopped picture of Bush groping jesus would be on Fark and 4chan, and the final line would have been misconstrued by people attempting to imply that George Bush thinks he actually really legitimately knows god.

    Mind you, the same could happen with Obama as well. Look how a simple odd way of phrasing something with his "muslim faith" has spurred forth evidence that birfers think is unquestionable fact that he's really a closet muslim (while also being the ones who love to say how he's been brainwashed by an extremist black liberation christian )

    The techno age has arrived and George Bush was just the first to fully feel the blunt. Now I've also gone on record and saying that even without it I think George Bush would've had plenty of gaffes and still had hi issues. There was a number of things that didn't just happen in obscure places or times, and his just general cadance and way of speaking was part of it (hell, SNL's been around for how long and that's part of what kicked it off). But I do think the total in the end was far, far greater due to the age we're living in.

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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Couldn’t agree with you more, except one small detail….

    McCain was chosen by the media... all other candidates were smeared because the media thought McCain was the weakest, easiest to beat.

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    The above is personal opinion and I have no links to give you…. So don’t ask.
    The MSM certainly tried to help but it was registered Repubs that voted for him. They are the ones responsible for nominating him.

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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You can also add, his attacks on fox news, his indecisiveness in general, his calling of other Americans teabaggers.....


    we can also go into his racists statemnts, and his race baiting...... it all adds up...
    shall we balance these "mistakes" against Bush? Ignoring the Clinton administrations urging to go after Osama bin Laden? Fabricating CIA "evidence" in order to begin a war? Completely ignoring all his campaign promises? Really funny that you think the format of a gift DVD is significant after what we've all been through.

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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    shall we balance these "mistakes" against Bush? Ignoring the Clinton administrations urging to go after Osama bin Laden? Fabricating CIA "evidence" in order to begin a war? Completely ignoring all his campaign promises? Really funny that you think the format of a gift DVD is significant after what we've all been through.
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    Re: Obama's Mistakes? What Mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    shall we balance these "mistakes" against Bush? Ignoring the Clinton administrations urging to go after Osama bin Laden? Fabricating CIA "evidence" in order to begin a war? Completely ignoring all his campaign promises? Really funny that you think the format of a gift DVD is significant after what we've all been through.



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