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    Re: How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It would appear so yes!

    "Bows are the traditional greeting in East Asia, particularly in Korea and Japan. However, bowing is not reserved only for greetings. Bowing is a gesture of respect."
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    Sigh, not when you are a head of state.

    Pamela Eyring, the president of The Protocol School of Washington, said that while there's no "hard-and-fast" rule, a bow is not appropriate when national leaders meet.

    "They're peers. ... Unfortunately, it isn't correct for a chief of state to bow to another chief of state,"

    "It's not appropriate. He should not be bowing to other chiefs of state."

    She said Obama was clearly trying to show respect, but that the royal couple would not expect such a gesture from a Western leader. Eyring, who reviewed the video of the encounter, said they seemed a "bit uncomfortable" watching Obama bow.

    "When you're representing the United States of America, everything speaks ... on behalf of our country," Eyring said. "It's a visual. It shows more of a subservient look."
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    Re: How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow

    Japan's reaction to Obama bowing before the Emperor


    Japan's reaction to Obama bowing before the Emperor

    During Barack Obama’s first presidential visit to Japan, he managed to work in a private lunch with Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko. The lunch, which lasted about an hour, was reported to have just been the three of them plus one interpreter. While the topics of their lunchtime conversation remain a mystery, the Japanese media delightedly reported on the event, stating how Obama made a polite short English greeting before entering the palace.

    Some in America, however, have picked up on the brief, but rather deep bow Obama made as he shook hands with the Emperor. Some have decried it as a complete gaffe, some have pointed out the faux pas in Japanese etiquette of not mixing a bow and a handshake, and others have commented that Obama is simply showing respect for other cultures."

    While the Japanese media has largely avoided commenting on the incident, numerous comments have been made on Japanese blogs and open forums. The general comments have been rather different in tone from that of American counterparts. Here are some select comments made on several sites:

    [All comments translated from Japanese]

    * “What a bow!”
    * “Such a deep bow from Obama, what a fine guy.”
    * “I’m surprised he bowed. He’s really trying hard to meet the Japanese way!”
    * “President Obama is a top-class person, isn’t he? Amazing!”
    * “The Emperor is giving a nice smile!”
    * “Is the Japanese Emperor really that special?”
    * “The Emperor or the Pope, the President or the Prime Minister, whoever is greater is not something that I think can be decided objectively.”
    * “I laughed because it was a much better bow than I had imagined.”
    * “Obama’s huge!”
    * “Obama has more of a true Japanese heart than most Japanese do.”

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    Re: How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow

    can anyone explain how this is significant in any way?
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    Re: How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Thanks for the response. The Japanese exchange students who have stayed in our home have told us that bowing is customary in Japanese society, but that an inferior bows low to the superior, while the superior does not bow as low.

    So by bowing lower to the Emperor than the Emperor bowed to him was Obama acknowledging his position as an inferior? Probably not. He either has an incompetent protocol staff or Obama's bow was made for an ulterior purpose.

    What ulterior purpose? In a prior post I alluded to Obama's real purpose in kowtowing. Obama was inspecting the Emperor's erection. Prove me wrong.
    i'm just wondering why any program would allow students in your home.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i'm just wondering why any program would allow students in your home.
    Reciprocity. There is a sister city program between my hometown and a city in Japan. Students from both sister cities participate. Our sons were hosted by Japanese families. In turn we hosted Japanese students visiting this side of the Pacific.

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    Re: How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Because bowing in English culture is a symbol of subservience, but in Arab and Japanese cultures it is a symbol of mutual respect, and not of subservience.

    Not all cultures are the same.
    That explanation doesn't work because of the fact that the King and Emperor do not bow in turn. Watch the videos and see them both only nod their heads with the Emperor making only the slightest forward bending motion.

    If your point is true then they are not going very far to show mutual respect.

    Personally, I think the man-boy President may still be overwhelmed by some facets of his new positiion. A combination of inexperience and progressive idealism are mixing up a big jumbled mess in his head. So it's difficult to say how much is intentional subservience or confusion.

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    Re: How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    They should have beaten whoever advised the Presidents to show that mere amount of respect for the leader of a nation we are supposed to get our way with!
    Except Nixon and Ike are going no further than did the King and Emperor. These men show respect. Obama shows subservience going as far as he does.

    Still this is only a sign of all this change we were told would come.

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    Re: How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow

    Did anyone consider that Obama made such a 'deep bow' because he is over a foot taller than the pipsqueak Japanese leader?

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    Re: How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Sigh, not when you are a head of state.

    Pamela Eyring, the president of The Protocol School of Washington, said that while there's no "hard-and-fast" rule, a bow is not appropriate when national leaders meet.

    "They're peers. ... Unfortunately, it isn't correct for a chief of state to bow to another chief of state,"

    "It's not appropriate. He should not be bowing to other chiefs of state."

    She said Obama was clearly trying to show respect, but that the royal couple would not expect such a gesture from a Western leader. Eyring, who reviewed the video of the encounter, said they seemed a "bit uncomfortable" watching Obama bow.

    "When you're representing the United States of America, everything speaks ... on behalf of our country," Eyring said. "It's a visual. It shows more of a subservient look."
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    Re: How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Sigh, not when you are a head of state.

    Pamela Eyring, the president of The Protocol School of Washington, said that while there's no "hard-and-fast" rule, a bow is not appropriate when national leaders meet.

    "They're peers. ... Unfortunately, it isn't correct for a chief of state to bow to another chief of state,"

    "It's not appropriate. He should not be bowing to other chiefs of state."

    She said Obama was clearly trying to show respect, but that the royal couple would not expect such a gesture from a Western leader. Eyring, who reviewed the video of the encounter, said they seemed a "bit uncomfortable" watching Obama bow.

    "When you're representing the United States of America, everything speaks ... on behalf of our country," Eyring said. "It's a visual. It shows more of a subservient look."
    that's just ridiculous. i believe it shows great confidence AND humility for a man of obama's stature to greet another chief of state with deference.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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