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    Re: Bush attempting to rewrite history of "disastrous presidency"

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    One thing for sure until a week ago we were relatively safe from terrorists under Bush.
    You mean he kept us safe after he failed to keep us safe? Was that like John Kerry voting to support funding before voting against it?

    9/11 and the anthrax attacks all occurred under George's watch. Besides until an official investigation is complete its too early to call this terrorism. Also by historical definition terrorism is usually against civilian targets.

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    Re: Bush attempting to rewrite history of "disastrous presidency"

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Way more culpable......
    Clinton floundered hard with regard to OBL & AQ....
    The Clinton administration had the opportunity to take OBL out of play....
    EPIC FAIL!....
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    Re: Bush attempting to rewrite history of "disastrous presidency"

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Way more culpable......
    Clinton floundered hard with regard to OBL & AQ....
    The Clinton administration had the opportunity to take OBL out of play....
    EPIC FAIL!....
    When was this again? Another one of Mansoor Ijaz's stories about Clinton being handed Bin Laden even though the Saudis claimed they never had him. In reality Bin Laden came onto our radar as a threat to the United States in 1996 Clinton had 4 years to catch him. Bush had 8 so Bush was the one who had no excuse. When the Cole investigation was finished and it was determined that Bin Laden was responsible Bush had a choice to act but didn't.
    He had a shot at Torah Borah and Bush outsourced it to the Northern Alliance who messed up. He had a chance and failed. Also it is alleged that the CIA met with Bin Laden in Dubai in July 2001 when he was in a hospital undergoing treatment. He wasn't taken into custody then.

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    Re: Bush attempting to rewrite history of "disastrous presidency"

    I'm guessing you are not much of a student of history. Primary sources are useful and limited at the same time. I own many memoirs from Presidents and historical leaders and they are damned valuable for a resource.

    Please read more books.
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    Re: Bush attempting to rewrite history of "disastrous presidency"

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    In this day and age, he can only do so much to remedy historical perceptions, and there will be a wealth of material available to cross check his own information. On a scholarly level, I'm not overly concerned.

    My only concern I suppose would be those who lack foresight and rely strictly on those materials for their interpretations, but as someone who has studied history I know that multiple sources are required in all endeavors.
    The thing that is most concerning (though not altogether surprising) is the idea that history is to remove the perceptions of the main actors altogether simply because they are perceived as biased. Of course they are biased: historians will be analyzing their actions and thoughts! Because George Bush is unpopular, he and his administration should not be allowed to give out their story? That would produce some of the weakest historical scholarship imaginable.

    It's difficult to stress the level of idiocy of the original post.
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    Re: Bush attempting to rewrite history of "disastrous presidency"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's difficult to stress the level of idiocy of the original post.


    That is really funny. And so damn true.

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    Re: Bush attempting to rewrite history of "disastrous presidency"

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The thing that is most concerning (though not altogether surprising) is the idea that history is to remove the perceptions of the main actors altogether simply because they are perceived as biased. Of course they are biased: historians will be analyzing their actions and thoughts! Because George Bush is unpopular, he and his administration should not be allowed to give out their story? That would produce some of the weakest historical scholarship imaginable.

    It's difficult to stress the level of idiocy of the original post.
    It appears to me that the OP assumes there are too many historians who are stupid and will be duped into writing history books based on single biased sources. If our historians are that stupid, it wouldn't matter how many sources they had, since they'd be too incompetent to interpret anything.
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    Re: Bush attempting to rewrite history of "disastrous presidency"

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It appears to me that the OP assumes there are too many historians who are stupid and will be duped into writing history books based on single biased sources. If our historians are that stupid, it wouldn't matter how many sources they had, since they'd be too incompetent to interpret anything.
    Not sure if it's incompetence, or rather a concious method of educating generations in a very biased way. We see this with historical context in some history books where a point of view is conveyed with an interpretation that is designed to provide the student with a predetermined conclusion. Many argue that this bias is unconscious but I think it's just as many times premeditated. It's not just a political or ideological bias either - some are social biases, some are cultural, some are political and some are religious - it really ranges the entire spectrum.

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    Re: Bush attempting to rewrite history of "disastrous presidency"

    Interesting read.
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    Re: Bush attempting to rewrite history of "disastrous presidency"

    History will be much kinder to GWB than the current liberal left.

    This is why the liberal left is so up in arms about this -- they cringe at the thought of history seeing them as nothing more than the partisan detractors that they are.

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