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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Very nice, but doesn't address the fact that millions of people are living on the edge already. An additional payout of 5% of their income will likely finish them off financially.
    Guess they'll have to get rid of their satellite dish.

    Why should someone in an unskilled trade like a grocery store cashier bringing home $500./month with no benefits be forced to pay union dues. What exactly does the union do for them???
    This isn't the pro-union thread. I could care less what your daughter does or doesn't do.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Guess they'll have to get rid of their satellite dish.
    Gotcha... the old "let them eat cake" routine, eh? I heard somewhere that libs were compassionate, guess I heard wrong.

    This isn't the pro-union thread. I could care less what your daughter does or doesn't do.
    Then don't bring up unions again.

    And my daughter only worked there a short time. She found a much better job in a non-union business.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - at least this does pinpoint who will be fined in the future for not having insurance.
    That seems to make you happy. I will gladly pay the fine than get raped by the gov't. I do not have traditional health insurance thanks to the state gov't f*cking up regulations so badly that it's cost prohibitive. I can afford it; I choose not to.

    It's my choice to go to the doctors I want to see. I don't beg for a referral, and I don't waste time and money bothering with a GP when me or my kid needs a specialist.

    I defy you or anyone to find a child better cared for than mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You are not adequately represented on the map.

    My contention would be that people in the red states are more likely to be the working poor, particularly the rural poor, and that they do not have the opportunity to purchase health insurance through their employer, for a variety of reasons. For instance, people who work at Walmart in low-skills categories are usually kept at a 32-hour-per-week employment status so that Walmart can avoid the cost of providing health insurance.

    The assumption by many conservatives is that the people who don't have insurance coverage aren't willing to pay for it, or are on welfare. In fact, it isn't AVAILABLE to many Americans, and it is often extremely cost-prohibitive to those who are in the category of working poor. They earn too much to qualify for state benefits, but too little to afford insurance.

    These states are also, in many cases, "right to work" states, so people in the skilled trades, who would have had insurance benefits through a union in another state, instead work in small non-union shops without access to affordable healthcare benefits.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Guess they'll have to get rid of their satellite dish.
    You make an awful lot of assumptions there. I'll buy whatever the hell I want with my money, and if the gov't or anyone else doesn't like it, they can stuff it.

    What I handed over to the Federal Gov't in taxes in 1998 alone could have allowed me to hire a private physician and kept him/her employed for many years. The gov't and everyone else's assumptions about uninsured are just assumptions.

    And I would rather pull my eyeballs out with hot skewers than accept any form of healthcare from the gov't.
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    You guys are weird.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Gotcha... the old "let them eat cake" routine, eh? I heard somewhere that libs were compassionate, guess I heard wrong.
    Are you under the mistaken impression that I'm a lib?

    Then don't bring up unions again.

    And my daughter only worked there a short time. She found a much better job in a non-union business.
    Unions are relevant in the context of determining where the uninsured reside. They tend to live in right-to-work states. Shockers.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    That seems to make you happy. I will gladly pay the fine than get raped by the gov't. I do not have traditional health insurance thanks to the state gov't f*cking up regulations so badly that it's cost prohibitive. I can afford it; I choose not to.

    It's my choice to go to the doctors I want to see. I don't beg for a referral, and I don't waste time and money bothering with a GP when me or my kid needs a specialist.

    I defy you or anyone to find a child better cared for than mine.
    In fact, the imposed fines and fees make me furious - it's one of my peeves over this whole entire healthcare debate and really rattles me.

    I think it's hypocritical - at best - for those who cry out for "better healthcare for all!" [refering to those in goverment] to then deem it a finable offense NOT to want healthcare for whatever personal reasons that someone has.

    I'm fine with the government offering it - with it being optional person-to-person. Key point is for the individuals to determine what's best for them, not for the government to determine what is best for the individual.

    They're ending current programs of assistance and not making other efforts (such as allowing companies to cross state lines when offering care in an effort to make the market more competative - bringing down prices) and not seeking to strengthen the programs that already DO exist.
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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Key point is for the individuals to determine what's best for them, not for the government to determine what is best for the individual.
    The problem is that some individuals are choosing not to have health care, and then seeking it at emergency rooms, where the rest of us end up paying for it, anyway.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The problem is that some individuals are choosing not to have health care, and then seeking it at emergency rooms, where the rest of us end up paying for it, anyway.
    Simple solution:
    Remove the requirement that people receive treatment regardless of the ability to pay.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Simple solution:
    Remove the requirement that people receive treatment regardless of the ability to pay.
    I have zero problems with that. Remember? Thunderdome.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The problem is that some individuals are choosing not to have health care, and then seeking it at emergency rooms, where the rest of us end up paying for it, anyway.
    That's a partial issue, though - which is something they're still not dealing with.
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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Are you under the mistaken impression that I'm a lib?
    Any one reading your posts would naturally assume you are a lib. Are you one of the libs that prefer the term "progressive."

    Unions are relevant in the context of determining where the uninsured reside. They tend to live in right-to-work states. Shockers.
    This isn't a pro-union thread. Your attempt to link states that protect its citizens from union extortion and insurance coverage has no basis in fact.

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