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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We typically pay our own bills with cash, is why.

    We don't expect insurance to pay for a yearly physical any more than we expect GEICO to pay for our gas.

    If we get a cold we take to MyQuil before heading off to work instead of taking a copy of Time with us to the ER.
    Most policies do pay for physicals. They'd rather catch a problem earlier than later, it's cheaper.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Texas unemployment is around 5 percent. More like 1.5 percent if you only count those who want to work. Our economy is thriving, our housing values are stable, our crime rates are low (except on the borders), and our education system is strong.

    Meanwhile, California just jacked up their state tax withholdings (we don't have those in Texas) by 10 percent to pay their bills

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I've never been to concerned for working, able bodied adults who choose not to get coverage for a variety of reasons ... and the article doesn't really focus on them, anyway. The article says "those who don't have insurance" but it is ONLY citing numbers concerning CHILDREN who are not insured.

    The article says:


    So with the availability of CHIP - which is available to all qualifying people IN the Middle Class (We're not even talking about people who are otherwise in the category of assistance through Medicaid/care/welfare) - and is available in every state - there's currently no excuse for children to be uninsured.

    With a program already implimented to cover middle-class children who were previously uninsured it's just pure laziness or a lack of concern for a child's wellbeing or maybe an overall lack of knowledge on the program that IS available to be blamed.

    From the CHIP website:


    For the Democrats to have pushed the program (which I fully supported) I think it's hypocritical to just ignore that it's there, fail to improve it, and then just start ANOTHER program and dissolve CHIP and absorb these children into the ACHAA - when these children who DO qualify for the CHIP *might NOT* qualify for coverage under ACHAA.

    It's a baseless issue - there IS coverage for most who are currently uninsured - and everyone's just ignoring it.

    All the while - the real issue at the heart of debate isn't about children not being covered, it's about adults not being covered - BIG difference. So you can't site statistics for children when making an arguement concerning adult-issues.
    You are correct. A few months ago, Kentucky had a huge advertising campaign to get kids enrolled in Chips. According to the articles at the time, there were thousands of kids here that were eligible for Chips, but were not enrolled.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Most policies do pay for physicals.
    I guess we don't need a policy to pay for ours.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I guess we don't need a policy to pay for ours.
    But you probably need one if a major health problem is discovered at your physical.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    But you probably need one if a major health problem is discovered at your physical.
    That's my business, not Obama's.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    I don't understand why people still try to draw conclusions by looking at what states are most or least likely to do this or that and then looking at how those states vote. That's not how logic or statistics work.

    First off, insurance is a useless measure because the absolute poorest among us have it (via Medicaid) while the lower middle class is less likely to have it. Due to that, I fail to see how it correlates with income.

    Secondly, age distribution has a lot to do with this. The vast majority of the uninsured are between 18-34. The states that have the highest rates of the uninsured also happen to be the states that have the most people who fall into that bracket.

    United States by States; and Puerto Rico - GCT-P5. Age and Sex:**2000

    Finally, minorities (who overwhelmingly vote Democrat) are much more unlikely to be uninsured. According to Census figures, blacks and hispanics account for 22 million of the 46 million uninsured, while white people only account for 20.8 million. This is in spite of the fact that whites outnumber hispanics/blacks 196 million to 81 million.

    Given these facts, I'd be hesitant to try to draw any conclusions based on the distribution of the uninsured, especially as it pertains to party.
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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
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    Interesting finding. It's also no coincidence that some of these states also have some of the lowest per capita incomes, lowest per pupil expenditures, and highest unemployment rates.
    MAJOR pet peeve: people pointing to all the problems of the South and saying, "see? Liberal states are better than conservative states!". The South has its own damn problems, very few of which have to do with ideology. You'll notice that other conservative states, like Utah, do not share the problems of the South.

    The rate of the uninsured is possibly an exception, since liberal policies specifically aim at reducing uninsurance- but the question we must ask is, does it matter? Massachussetts has the lowest percentage of uninsured population, and yet only 37% of its very liberal residents actually like their new health care system. Is there any proof that a higher rate of uninsurance causes actual problems in itself?

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    MAJOR pet peeve: people pointing to all the problems of the South and saying, "see? Liberal states are better than conservative states!". The South has its own damn problems, very few of which have to do with ideology. You'll notice that other conservative states, like Utah, do not share the problems of the South.

    The rate of the uninsured is possibly an exception, since liberal policies specifically aim at reducing uninsurance- but the question we must ask is, does it matter? Massachussetts has the lowest percentage of uninsured population, and yet only 37% of its very liberal residents actually like their new health care system. Is there any proof that a higher rate of uninsurance causes actual problems in itself?
    If everyone were rich enough, would they even need insurance to begin with?

    I think we need less people insured, and better economic distribution of proffessional care. I'm thinking if there was less fear of lawsuits for every little thing, more people would want to become doctors and more new companies would want to compete.

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    Re: Where do people without health insurance live?

    Well - at least this does pinpoint who will be fined in the future for not having insurance.
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