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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, no, no. You the one making the accusation that this piece of legislation is a bill of attainder, and it is therefore your job to either prove your accusation to be true or to admit that you can't or won't prove it.
    You stated that this bill allows for due process regarding the fines.
    Prove this to be true or admit you cannot.

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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I guess it's a good thing we don't have to buy the air we breathe.
    The air thay you breathe is not a commodity oenwd by someone else.
    However, the goods and services provided to you by heath care providers are, and they have a right to be compensated for doing so.

    The value of an individual person has nothing to do with their net worth, and I can't see a good argument for letting someone die for lack of care because they have no money with which they can pay for it.
    See above. Goods and services are not free.

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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You stated that this bill allows for due process regarding the fines.
    Prove this to be true or admit you cannot.
    You forgot to mention that you first made the accusation that the bill constitutes a bill of attainder.

    I responded with what I understand from skimming the bill.

    If you wish to refute that, being the one who first made the accusation, you need to look at the bill and then show me where your accusation is correct.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You forgot to mention that you first made the accusation that the bill constitutes a bill of attainder.
    Yes, and you said it was not so because it allows for due process.
    If that is true, that's fine - but it is then encumbent upon you to show that it is true.

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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance? - Political Punch



    I like the part that reads: "Obama Said: that penalties are appropriate for people who try to “free ride” the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance."
    Is there anyone who believe he wouldn't be tripping all over himself to get to sign this crazy Bill.
    I am getting tied of pointing out that this legislation is not what it needed and that any person who has ever run a successful business can come up with much better solutions at a mere fraction of the cost of this monstrosity.
    I beg you to demand a more reasonable approach to Health care and Insurance. It makes no sense to give up our Liberties to help the 12 to 20 million who have no health care. Hell I have solutions to the high cost and insurance and it's not that hard to do if we address the questions and not add a bunch of junk that is not related to the initial issues and only serves special interests and drives the cost up needlessly.
    Mark my words...this isn't going to lead to jail time, but it will lead to families that don't comply having their income tax returns withheld by the IRS to pay for these penalties.

    In the end, this is only going to lead to the government claiming more money from the people who can least afford it.

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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Looks like another brick in the tax protestor's wall when it comes to this situation.
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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That's what a bill of attainder is, that isn't what this is.

    Like any matter dealing with taxes on your income, you're not automatically guilty just because the government says you are. Nothing in the bill says you're automatically guilty of anything. You are entitled to due process. Nothing in this bill denies you due process.

    Ergo, it is not a bill of attainder.
    Obviously you have never had to deal with the IRS in an adversarial manner.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Obviously you have never had to deal with the IRS in an adversarial manner.
    I did once. And I won, for the most part, but it was the most grueling and pointless exercise in proving the obvious: the government can't efficiently run an ant farm.

    And even though I "won", it still costed me close to two grand.

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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I did once. And I won, for the most part, but it was the most grueling and pointless exercise in proving the obvious: the government can't efficiently run an ant farm.

    And even though I "won", it still costed me close to two grand.
    Been there..... It's the only place in this country where you are guilty until you prove you are innocent
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes, and you said it was not so because it allows for due process.
    If that is true, that's fine - but it is then encumbent upon you to show that it is true.
    Allow me to illustrate for you how these things are supposed to work:

    First person: Accusation of some sort regarding the subject at hand
    Second person: Expression of surprise and disbelief regarding the accusation
    First person: Production of evidence to reinforce accusation
    Second person: Reasoned response to evidence

    Now allow me to illustrate for you how you seem to want these things to work:

    First person: Accusation of some sort regarding the subject at hand
    Second person: Expression of surprise and disbelief regarding the accusation
    First person: Demand for evidence that disproves accusation
    Second person: Head explody

    That's not how it works in a court of law, that's not how it works in polite discourse between adults, and that's not how it's going to work here, sorry.

    Please produce your evidence backing up your claim regarding the "bill of attainder" nature of the health reform bill which passed the House, citing specific sections as appropriate.

    Thank you.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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