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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So if you do not have health insurance, you dont actually pay a fine, you have your taxes raised.

    That makes sense -- raise taxes on those that cannot afford health care.
    I guess they'll be forced to go to the ER.
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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Hmmmmmmm.

    We get fined and go to jail.

    Geithner, Daschle... they fail to pay their fair share and... are tipped for cabinet positions.

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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    I would disagree with any mandated health care position. If one does not want to have health care, they should be allowed to opt out. However, if they then get ill, under no circumstances should the government assist or subsidize their health expenses. They made a choice. They need to then take responsibility for that choice and manage their health care out of their own expenses. Also, doctors and hospitals should not be required to accept any "opt out" patients without ability to pay verification. IMO, this kind of thing will save the US more tax dollars than anything I've seen presented in health care reform.
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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's really simple, you repeal the free ride laws, like free emergency care.
    And this is a good plan. Until the first time someone with insurance is stabbed and mugged, rushed to a hospital unconscious, and refused life saving treatment due to lack of proof of insurance. The media would love that scenario. And whoever signed off on the law that made it possible would be accused of "killing" the person.

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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Hmmmmmmm.

    We get fined and go to jail.

    Geithner, Daschle... they fail to pay their fair share and... are tipped for cabinet positions.

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    Don't pay your taxes for two years to offset the insurance offense. They'll leave you alone.
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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I would disagree with any mandated health care position. If one does not want to have health care, they should be allowed to opt out. However, if they then get ill, under no circumstances should the government assist or subsidize their health expenses. They made a choice. They need to then take responsibility for that choice and manage their health care out of their own expenses. Also, doctors and hospitals should not be required to accept any "opt out" patients without ability to pay verification. IMO, this kind of thing will save the US more tax dollars than anything I've seen presented in health care reform.
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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I always find it counterintuitive for people who cannot afford something -- are then fined. How exactly does that work again? And then when one cannot pay the fine, they're threatened with jail. How about not forcing people to do something they don't want to do? That seems reasonable...
    Are we seriously going down this road again? Oh, for crying out loud.

    The fine in question (call it a fine, call it a tax, call it whatever you want, because you're remitting it with your income tax come April 15th) is calculated in much the same way your income tax burden is -- it's a percentage of your gross adjusted income. The maximum amount of this fine will be the rough average cost of a health insurance policy, but for most folks it will be less than that.

    If you're not paying tax, you're not paying this fine, and even if you are paying tax it is very likely this will amount to a smaller return instead of money out of your daily budget.

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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So question...

    If you don't own or drive a car, do you have to buy Auto-Insurance?

    To my knowledge, you don't.

    With that being the case, this is NOT the same thing. Everyone is not FORCED to buy a auto-insurance. It is your CHOICE. If you don't you can not operate a vehicle on the state's property (IE roads), but you are not forced to do it by some kind of government direct punishment if you don't buy it. Where as with health insurance you do not have that option, its either pay for it or be penalized for it.

    Those are not the same things.

    I may not be able to have a car, but I could try and get a job in an area that has public transportation. I can carpool. I can ride with a spouse or friends. I could bike. I could walk. All are options without the government directly and distinctly penalizing me for not having insurance.

    If I don't buy health insurance I get a huge direct monetary fine and if I don't pay it naturally it leads to jail time?

    Those are not the same circumstances.
    I understand and even sympathize with this objection. Ultimately, if you want to be able to opt out of having some sort of health insurance, we basically have two options:

    1) People designating themselves as self-insured by putting a certain amount in an escrow account, same as we do for auto insurance in New York

    2) Deciding that those who do not opt for coverage and don't want to self-insure will not have access to care unless they pay as they go, up front.

    Anything else is pretty much the mess we have now.
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    Re: Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This has been raised before, and so, I will ask again:

    How will the government know if you do not have health insurance?
    As I've answered this question elsewhere, if you have it you will submit proof with your income tax return. That's as per the bill the house passed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Will the people that do not have health insurance be indicted bya federal grand jury, sent to trial in a federal court and, if convicted, then fined?

    If not, then what is the mechanism for these fines? On what basis are they levied?
    As I've answered this question elsewhere, it is handled the same way income tax is handled currently.
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