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    Re: Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anything can be subpoenaed with enough probable cause.
    True. Anything and anyone that can be proven to have a legitimate role in a trial or investigation can be brought in. I wonder though...can any sentient being can be subpoenaed or just inanimate things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The whole library records thing was insanely overblown. People got riled up about it because it sounds bad, but there was really nothing there.

    In order to seek library records under the patriot act, an application had to be presented to a magistrate judge, just as if the government was seeking a subpoena. Furthermore, the provision could only be used to access documents that were not within the possession of the target, so there is absolutely no reasonable expectation of privacy. In addition, it could only be used where the target was not a US citizen or where the information concerned foreign intelligence activity.

    In terms of the actual intrusion on privacy, this section was significantly less burdensome than most of the rest of the patriot act. The only reason it got such play is because people conflate library records with some unspecified version of the First Amendment.
    This particular one may not be a "big deal", but I still don't think the government should have the power. And it speaks further to the types of spying and data collection that the government currently does do. We have to watch and tightly constrain it on this front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This particular one may not be a "big deal", but I still don't think the government should have the power. And it speaks further to the types of spying and data collection that the government currently does do. We have to watch and tightly constrain it on this front.
    My recipe for boiling a frog comes to mind....

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anything can be subpoenaed with enough probable cause.
    That's exactly my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    My recipe for boiling a frog comes to mind....
    That's an urban legend, you know. Frogs won't actually let you boil them. Plus, everyone knows that frogs get gooey when you boil them. The only way to properly cook a frog is by pan-sauteing them.

    Recipe fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's an urban legend, you know. Frogs won't actually let you boil them. Plus, everyone knows that frogs get gooey when you boil them. The only way to properly cook a frog is by pan-sauteing them.

    Recipe fail.
    I bow to the culinary expert.

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    Re: Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's an urban legend, you know. Frogs won't actually let you boil them. Plus, everyone knows that frogs get gooey when you boil them. The only way to properly cook a frog is by pan-sauteing them.

    Recipe fail.
    Ewww. I didn't know that about frogs because why would I eat a frog when I have a perfectly good pig to eat?
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    Re: Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's an urban legend, you know. Frogs won't actually let you boil them. Plus, everyone knows that frogs get gooey when you boil them. The only way to properly cook a frog is by pan-sauteing them.

    Recipe fail.
    Frog legs are good deep fried.
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    Re: Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Frog legs are good deep fried.
    Is there anything that isn't good deep fried?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Is there anything that isn't good deep fried?
    Even inedible stuff is good when you throw it in the oil.

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