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    Re: Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists

    I heard about this before it was ever reported, as I have friends in the indymedia network. The court ordered police to seize the servers if the information was not delivered in a timely manner. I'm glad the silence was broken and the issue was made known.

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    I'm so glad that the government recognizes that it shouldn't engage in unreasonable search and seizure.

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    It seems Holder was not in the loop on this.

    Someone lower down failed to follow procedure.

    Can't smack Holder on this, but not cool in any event.

    Now that this has been made public, I believe it should put a halt to such nonsense. Here's to hoping.

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    The amount of information they were looking for was peculiar, and something I'm not sure the government should be able to easily get. Apparently, this was done without the knowledge from the attorney general, which is highly illegal. And the whole threatening of the people mafia style is incredibly disturbing. If that part is true, then who ever made the threats, told the guy to make the threats, and all those aware that this practice was encouraged should be fired and never allowed to work in the law or political field again.
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    For what it's worth, the bolded portion is completely false:

    The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded "all IP traffic to and from www.indymedia.us" on June 25, 2008. It instructed Clair to "include IP addresses, times, and any other identifying information," including e-mail addresses, physical addresses, registered accounts, and Indymedia readers' Social Security Numbers, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and so on.
    The author misread the subpoena. I emailed him to explain the error, though he didn't respond or correct it.
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    Re: Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, in your opinion, library records should not be subpoenaed, ever?
    They don't have to even tell you, nor do they have to have charges presented in order to check your library records. They can waltz in, check it, and waltz out.
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    What's the point of warrants anymore?

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    The whole library records thing was insanely overblown. People got riled up about it because it sounds bad, but there was really nothing there.

    In order to seek library records under the patriot act, an application had to be presented to a magistrate judge, just as if the government was seeking a subpoena. Furthermore, the provision could only be used to access documents that were not within the possession of the target, so there is absolutely no reasonable expectation of privacy. In addition, it could only be used where the target was not a US citizen or where the information concerned foreign intelligence activity.

    In terms of the actual intrusion on privacy, this section was significantly less burdensome than most of the rest of the patriot act. The only reason it got such play is because people conflate library records with some unspecified version of the First Amendment.
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    Sending to flag@whitehouse.gov





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    Re: Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Can library records be subpoenaed?
    Anything can be subpoenaed with enough probable cause.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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