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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Trust me....Jindal was DOA. The man did so horribly that there is no way that the GOP will back him.
    In what way was the man horrible?
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    I can....If Health Scare and Scam & Tax are passed,our current difficulties will look like a picnic by comparison.
    Not really. The health care bill is quite complex. To declare that it will be automatically bad is quite premature. Furthermore, if Cap and Trade does go though, it could create incentives for private capital to pour billions into alternative energy that would create many export oriented jobs.

    And quite frankly, you're ignoring the 80 million lb Gorilla in the room. The $50+ trillion in unfunded liabilities pretty much trumps any problem we're going to have short of a 2012 scenario.
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not really. The health care bill is quite complex. To declare that it will be automatically bad is quite premature.
    Yes really. Forcing people to tie up their income in health insurance will have a few effects.

    1. more people will use the system.
    2.more peope drives up demand.
    3.More demand drives up prices.
    4.Higher prices drop disposable income.
    5.Lower income drops consumer demand for other items such as TV's,Computers,movies etc etc...
    6.Lower demand for these items means fewer jobs/layoffs.
    7.Fewer jobs/layoffs means consumer demand will drop even more.

    I could go on and on but I'm sure you get what I'm saying.


    Furthermore, if Cap and Trade does go though, it could create incentives for private capital to pour billions into alternative energy that would create many export oriented jobs.
    Wrong,it will destroy our manufacturing base as most of these jobs will be shifted overseas where scam and tax is not implemented.

    And quite frankly, you're ignoring the 80 million lb Gorilla in the room. The $50+ trillion in unfunded liabilities pretty much trumps any problem we're going to have short of a 2012 scenario.
    All the more reason why we should'nt be creating new entitlement programs...Dont you think?
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    Yes really. Forcing people to tie up their income in health insurance will have a few effects.

    1. more people will use the system.
    2.more people drives up demand.
    3.More demand drives up prices.
    4.Higher prices drop disposable income.
    5.Lower income drops consumer demand for other items such as TV's,Computers,movies etc etc...
    6.Lower demand for these items means fewer jobs/layoffs.
    7.Fewer jobs/layoffs means consumer demand will drop even more.
    That could be argued for any mandatory cost. You do realize by forcing those to get insurance you take a sizable burden off taxpayers? The same monies which could be returned to them to stimulate demand and create jobs?

    I have a real problem with people who have no insurance and expect the rest of us to pay for them. How much money and jobs are lost there?

    I could go on and on but I'm sure you get what I'm saying.

    Wrong,it will destroy our manufacturing base as most of these jobs will be shifted overseas where scam and tax is not implemented.
    Has that happened to the large alternative energy manufactures in Europe?

    Hint: No.

    Besides, R&D has always been a big part of new technologies and many firms are wary about outsourcing R&D for obvious reasons.

    All the more reason why we should'nt be creating new entitlement programs.
    Not sure that's really entitlement when we are paying for it through taxes anyways.
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That could be argued for any mandatory cost. You do realize by forcing those to get insurance you take a sizable burden off taxpayers? The same monies which could be returned to them to stimulate demand and create jobs?
    In which way is a burden being taken away?

    I have a real problem with people who have no insurance and expect the rest of us to pay for them. How much money and jobs are lost there?
    I went without insurance for many years and NOBODY ever picked up any of my tabs.Your going to have to explain how everyone else picks up these tabs.

    I could go on and on but I'm sure you get what I'm saying.
    giving yourself a little too much credit.



    Has that happened to the large alternative energy manufactures in Europe?

    Hint: No.
    Perhaps you did'nt see the part where I said "Manufacturing BASE".

    Here read this and click on the Spanish study-

    Green Jobs: Field of Delusions
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Trust me....Jindal was DOA. The man did so horribly that there is no way that the GOP will back him. It was unlikely that they would have backed him anyway....his performance was simply the nail in his coffin.
    See now? There is that DD appeal to irrational bilge I was speaking about. Nobody, precisely nobody with a politically sharp mind would hang a coffin nail on your prognostications. Need me to 'splain it to you further? Or do you already know exactly how much your comments in this thread reside in the realm of the "wish it was so" universe? I'm serious too. Be glad to assist ya.

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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    In what way was the man horrible?
    Did you watch it?

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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Did you watch it?

    Hello.
    wasnt the best....But certainly not horrible.I've seen Obama do worse.
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    wasnt the best....But certainly not horrible.I've seen Obama do worse.
    Not even close. Obama is widely known as a great orator.

    Jindals performance was panned even by the vast majority of the GOP. Seriously....people were shocked by how bad he did.

    I watched because I had no clue who the guy was. I had heard that he was a fast up and comer in the GOP.
    After watching him, all I could think was wow....if that is the GOP's up and comer....God help the GOP.
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    See now? There is that DD appeal to irrational bilge I was speaking about. Nobody, precisely nobody with a politically sharp mind would hang a coffin nail on your prognostications. Need me to 'splain it to you further? Or do you already know exactly how much your comments in this thread reside in the realm of the "wish it was so" universe? I'm serious too. Be glad to assist ya.
    Sorry Sirloin....I gotta disagree with you here. I don't think this comes even close to a "Wish it were so".
    For weeks after...people were still talking about how bad he did. Sometimes people can rebound. In Jindals case, it isn't going to happen. He has too many other hurdles to overcome to ever get the GOP nomination. Sorry to say for him....this was a performance that he won't recover from.

    Just watched it again....even worse than I remember:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voAHRKlh7RQ"]YouTube- Governor Bobby Jindal (R-LA) Responds To The Obama State Of The Union (1)[/ame]
    Last edited by disneydude; 11-10-09 at 12:00 AM.
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