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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Obama had more education and as much experience as Lincoln who is widely considered to have been one of our best presidents.
    I too agree dear leader would make a very fine manager of McDonalds.
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

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    I too agree dear leader would make a very fine manager of McDonalds.
    And still no conservative could beat him. Does not speak very highly of conservatives does it?
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And still no conservative could beat him. Does not speak very highly of conservatives does it?
    A little premature in your pronouncement....Obama has yet to run against a Conservative.
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

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    A little premature in your pronouncement....Obama has yet to run against a Conservative.
    He ran against the conservatives that the conservative parties put up?
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    He ran against the conservatives that the conservative parties put up?
    He ran against weak kneed moderates.
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    The uninsured.
    Wrong! If the uninsured actually paid for their own costs, we wouldn't have premiums being taken out of private to pay for them, we wouldn't have hospitals eating increasingly large amounts of costs!

    Medicaid.

    From Washington state-

    State hospitals seek higher Medicaid payments
    Aww, look, another person who didn't bother to read his own article!

    At stake is about $31 million in payments the hospitals argue they should have received for the years 1994 to 2000 and potentially millions more from later years, said Del Nord, a Medicaid compensation specialist in the Spokane office of Quality Reimbursement Services of Arcadia, Calif.
    Do you really think $31 million will cause hospitals around the country to go bust?

    Furthermore, all your article does is point out that Medicaid is slow on the reimbursement.

    While about 700 working Hoosiers each week lose health insurance during the declining economy, local hospitals and doctors are left to figure out how they can continue to treat more and more uninsured....

    And regardless of the number of uninsured patients doctors see in hospital emergency rooms, the majority of the uninsured's health care bills are never paid. Lipinski said the Sisters of Saint Francis are mission-driven hospitals and would continue to care for whomever walked in their doors.
    More uninsured patients cause struggle for local hospitals

    So much for your belief that the uninsured pay their way.

    The remaining $14.5 billion in uncompensated care not paid by government sources.....

    Uncompensated care is health care that is not fully paid for, either directly out of pocket
    by individuals or by an insurance payer. Two different sources of data yield very similar
    estimates of the amount of uncompensated care in 2008: $57.4 billion (from provider
    and government program data) and $54.3 billion (from national household survey
    data) leading to the conclusion that the total is most likely about $56 billion.
    Hospitals, community providers, and physicians all provide care to the uninsured. While
    physicians and community clinics see more uninsured patients, over 60% of
    uncompensated care is generated in hospitals because medical needs requiring
    hospitalization are the most expensive.
    www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/7810.pdf

    Guess who's paying for that? You and me. Well, me for sure. I don't know if you actually have a job and pay taxes.

    That's ALOT Of money. Easily enough to kill hospitals.

    Enlighten me with a link.
    You need more then a link. You need a full on education.

    No you did'nt....You distorted what I said.
    Are you trying to pull a Apdst on me?

    Let's see your quote again:

    'I could go on and on but I'm sure you get what I'm saying.'

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058355225

    Tell me how that is different from:

    'I could go on and on but I'm sure you get what I'm saying.'

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058355236

    Looks the same to me, but then again, I can read. I know for a fact a great many people here can't. The question now is if you are one of them.

    Yeah your right....People arent falling dead in the street in the numbers advocates claim.
    Well, at least not in ways that rile up the public. Now, infants being strangled to death by their cribs, that's enough to rile the public up...despite only 2 in a year with millions of the same cribs sold.

    No,design jobs would have zero benefit to low income industrial workers.
    You seem to be exceedingly unaware of how economics works in historical development. Perhaps we should not BE in certain low income manufacturing industries? The same way the Europeans abandoned textiles manufacturing after them good-for-nothin' Americans undercut them. Please look up comparative advantage before replying.

    Do you think these "green" jobs would be any different?
    Yes, because much of it would be installing stuff here. You can't outsource that well. Furthermore, much of that would be in design which America, at least right now, still does well. If we can figure out efficient batteries, that would create mountains of proverbial jobs.

    I would love to see these statistics after Crap and Tax is passed.
    That can be alleviated by simple slapping on pollution taxes to imports from polluting countries. In many ways, the market is perverted because costs that no one in particular bares, pollution is not included. A sizable amount of true cost is not in the price and that distorts prices. To create an actual level market, we'd need to enforce the introduction of costs that previously were not included.

    Provide a link that directly disproves it.
    Uh..do you even understand what opportunity cost is?

    I find it amusing how you think you can talk about such subjects yet not even grasp the basics of them. perhaps that is why you labeled your self "very" Conservative?

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost]Opportunity cost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Educate yourself.

    Show me that the capital that was spent on Spain's Green infrastructure would have created the jobs allegedly lost in the study. I'd love to see someone prove that the jobs would have been created rather then the actual underlying concept that there was merely potential. You might just turn economics upside down if you could prove that.

    I can see why you spend so little time in the Econ forum.
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    He ran against weak kneed moderates.
    And it will be different in 2012 how???
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And still no conservative could beat him. Does not speak very highly of conservatives does it?
    How would you know? No conservatives ran against him.
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    He ran against the conservatives that the conservative parties put up?
    Wrong. He ran against his fellow puppets put up so the bankers could not lose. The best puppet won.
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    Re: 58% Say Next President Likely To Be Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    He ran against weak kneed moderates.
    True. Moderates cannot make decisions based on principles because they have none.
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