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Prejean Sex Tape Triggers Settlement

Re: Carrie Prejean - the change of heart

Zyphlin said:
Wait, so taping ones self having some kind of sexual encounter, without the intent to distribute it or have it found by anyone other than yourself and your lover, is somehow against conservatism?

Drat. I could've swore this personal freedom and ability to do what you wish in your own bedroom was part of what we believed in. ****, where do I turn in my card?
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In general Conservatism has a large base in religion/morality/etc. (i.e. Christianity), and anything kinky is usually off limits or at least frowned upon.
 
Re: Carrie Prejean - the change of heart

Zyphlin said:
Wait, so taping ones self having some kind of un-married sexual encounter
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Self-explanatory. :roll:

BTW, if there was no intent to distribute, then how did the opposing lawyers get the film?
 
Toothpicvic said:
Self-explanatory. :roll:

BTW, if there was no intent to distribute, then how did the opposing lawyers get the film?
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EpicDude86 said:
In general Conservatism has a large base in religion/morality/etc. (i.e. Christianity), and anything kinky is usually off limits or at least frowned upon.
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I love when liberals try to tell conservatives what conservatives have or believe.

No, there's a large base of people IN conservatism that have a large believe in a specific religion/morality. Conservatism in and of itself doesn't need it and I've never seen any tenant in general conservative philosophy that says Thou shall not have kinky sex.

I know this may come as a shock. One can be socially, fiscally, militarily, govenrmentally a conservative...and be completely athiest. Shock and Awe.

In the RELIGIOUS RIGHT such things may be frowned upon, but in conservatism in general I'd hardly say its against the POLITICAL ideology of it.
 
Re: Carrie Prejean - the change of heart

Toothpicvic said:
Zyphlin said:
Yeah, we've been down this road before. You're still just as dishonest, hysterical, and hypocritcal as you were the last time you tried to bash this girl. Give it a rest, disney. The only person looking bad here is you and your ilk.
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Why are you so eager to defending the indefensible? Maybe you should defend Ted Haggart next.
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I will ask one last time. Why did you input my name in place of the original poster of these words and falsely attribute this quote to me?
 
Zyphlin said:
I love when liberals try to tell conservatives what conservatives have or believe.

No, there's a large base of people IN conservatism that have a large believe in a specific religion/morality. Conservatism in and of itself doesn't need it and I've never seen any tenant in general conservative philosophy that says Thou shall not have kinky sex.

I know this may come as a shock. One can be socially, fiscally, militarily, govenrmentally a conservative...and be completely athiest. Shock and Awe.

In the RELIGIOUS RIGHT such things may be frowned upon, but in conservatism in general I'd hardly say its against the POLITICAL ideology of it.
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I love when anyone tries to tell anyone what anyone has or believes.

P.S. Not a libtard.
 
danarhea said:
If they have any market cornered, it is on hypocrisy. And don't forget that Jesus said there is a special place in hell for hypocrites.
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So if I get your point Dana, it appears you're saying that those that speak out against a particular act, but have at one time or in their past done said act, should not be speaking out against it?

Understandable thought.

So tell me Dana. You spend a TON of time continually and repeatedly railing against hypocrites.

I've trust you've never once in your life ever performed a hypocritical action?
 
Zyphlin said:
I love when liberals try to tell conservatives what conservatives have or believe.
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I'm not a liberal. I'm quoting what she said that she believes but obviously doesn't. She accepted money to be a spokesperson for Family Values organizations (which are against porn and premaritail sex) and was caught having kinky unmarried sex in an X-rated porn video.

The discussion is moot. You'd have just as much luck defending Ted Haggart's sex scandel.

Zyphlin said:
In the RELIGIOUS RIGHT such things may be frowned upon.
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Thank you! Carrie accepted money to be a spokesperson for religious right organizations. What we just said dude.
 
Re: Carrie Prejean - the change of heart

Zyphlin said:
I will ask one last time. Why did you input my name in place of the original poster of these words and falsely attribute this quote to me?
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It was a mistake when I was posting the quote boxes. Sorry.
 
Re: Carrie Prejean - the change of heart

Toothpicvic said:
Self-explanatory. :roll:

BTW, if there was no intent to distribute, then how did the opposing lawyers get the film?
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hey......carrie prejean can do whatever she wishes, even though it was "disgusting" until she saw it was her.

she may very well be a conservative, but she's certainly not the kind of conservative she made herself out to be. remember, she said the semi nude photos were "inappropriate".
 
Toothpicvic said:
Thank you! Carrie accepted money to be a spokesperson for religious right organizations. What we just said dude.
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No, I was responding to was those continually saying CONSERVATIVES in general don't want porn allowed, thinks its immoral to have un-married sex, thinks its wrong to make personal sex tapes of themselves, etc. I haven't once been arguing that the religious right dislikes those things, but that conservatives as a whole and as a political ideology don't all have issues with it.

For the most part the religious right are conservative

Conservatives aren't necessarily the religious right
 
Re: Carrie Prejean - the change of heart

Toothpicvic said:
It was a mistake when I was posting the quote boxes. Sorry.
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NP. Just wanted to be sure. In that case if it was a mistake would you mind if it was edited to be attributed to the correct person?
 
Re: Carrie Prejean - the change of heart

StandUpChuck said:
How the hell was she preaching morality to the rest of us?? :confused: No one preached jack**** to me. She answered a question, and by the looks of the GM referendum, people in 31 states agree with her.

You guys are applauding blackmail. You should be proud of yourselves.
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She went on television about how she was just given her opinion and was applauded as the shinning example of an all American Christian woman. Now she got caught having not only unmarried sex but filming it. It's a matter of principle and not being a complete f'n hypocrite.
 
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If she was speaking out against pre-marital sex and this sex occured after that point, then most assuredly it was hypocritical of her.

If she was speaking out against pornography, and she had any intent to release this video, then most assuredly it was hypocritical of her.

If she was speaking out against pornography, and she had intended this to be a private piece of video or was done without her knowledge then personally I don't consider it "porn" in the sense that is usually used (AKA actual distributed pornography)

I haven't seen the video, so honestly don't know if it was professionally done, amateurly done, seemingly done in a way she may not have known the camera was there (Tucker Maxx style), etc nor have I seen any evidence that this was planned to be marketed so just like in other instances, I'm not going to immiedetely assume that fact without any proof at all of that kind.
 
Zyphlin said:
No, I was responding to was those continually saying CONSERVATIVES in general don't want porn allowed, thinks its immoral to have un-married sex, thinks its wrong to make personal sex tapes of themselves, etc. I haven't once been arguing that the religious right dislikes those things, but that conservatives as a whole and as a political ideology don't all have issues with it.

For the most part the religious right are conservative

Conservatives aren't necessarily the religious right
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I have trouble believing that. Socially liberal conservatives are generally viewed as pariahs within the conservative movement. Maybe I have a distorted image of conservatives in general, but I'd need to see proof that tolerance for porn and making sex tapes of yourself is not a minority position within the 'conservative movement'.


And, too, I doubt very much that this is what the Values Voters Summit people had in mind when they cheered Carrie's speech where she said conservatives needed to lead by example. And even MORE do I doubt that engaging in behavior you are ashamed of ("That's Disgusting!"), and lying (denying it was she in the tape until the angle made that denial ludicrous), is 'leading by example'.

It is absolutely hypocritical. To deny the hypocrisy here is denying truth.
 
disneydude said:
I think the new conservative answer will be "Porn is fine....unless it is gay porn"......wouldn't it be great if it were exposed that the person filming Ms. Martyr was a woman?
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I'd like to see that tape! (And see if StandUp and I can do a better job. ;))
 
danarhea said:
When somebody wears their Christianity on their sleeves, and profess to be better than others to the point that they believe they have the right to tell others how to live their lives, you can be sure that they are fake Christians, and only in it for ulterior motives, such as advancing in politics, or making a name for themselves. But behind the facade of many of these fake Christians are the fruits they bear. Jesus himself said that we may know of someone by the fruits he or she bears. If the fruit is rotten, then so is the bearer of that fruit.

Other examples include Diaper Dave Vitter (prostitutes), Larry Craig (gay sex), Helen Chenowith (adultery), evangelist Tony Alamo (child porn), Rush Limbaugh (drugs), Sean Hannity (phone sex), Jimmy Swaggart (sex scandal), Ted Haggard (gay sex and drugs), Jim Bakker (prostitutes), Paul Crouch (Founder of TBN - homosexual affair), Pastor Paul Barnes (homosexuality), Pastor Lonnie Latham (homosexuality), Televangelist Richard Roberts (fraud), Pastor and political activist Coy Privette (prostitution), Pastor Joe Barron (child molestation), and a cast of thousands more.

Rather than being paragons of virtue, the nut cakes of the so-called religious right have more than amply demonstrated throughout the years, that they do NOT have the market cornered on morality. If they have any market cornered, it is on hypocrisy. And don't forget that Jesus said there is a special place in hell for hypocrites.
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Apologist Tim Keller has a great saying: " Christianity is a hospital for sinners, not a museum of saints."
 
EpicDude86 said:
You're disagreeing for disagreements sake.
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No, I'm not. You said that in general CONSERVATIVISM itself has a large base in religion/morality.

What I'm saying is that while religion and morality is a factor in portions of CONSERVATISM, its only a "large" base in one particular segment of that movement, the religious right.

For what you said to be true, for conservatism to have a LARGE BASE in religions view of morality, one would be hard pressed to be able to follow conservatism if they didn't subscribe specifically to that religion (christianity as you point outs) morality...which simply isn't the case.

jackalope said:
I have trouble believing that. Socially liberal conservatives are generally viewed as pariahs within the conservative movement.
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One can be socially conservative without being religious or exactly in line with the religious right. There's more to being social conservative then simply abortion and gay marriage, and one can even have views on those two things outside of the religious context of it.

I think the issue you're having is just that in recent years the religious right has been one of the more visiable of the conservative contingents. Additionally, to speak bluntly, they'll the contingent that the liberals like to focus on the most and bring up the most because they're the ones with some of the most easy to criticize views as well.

Maybe I have a distorted image of conservatives in general, but I'd need to see proof that tolerance for porn and making sex tapes of yourself is not a minority position within the 'conservative movement'
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Understandable. However here's a little anecdotal.

Do we all remember a wonderful "Dear Leader" spewing CelticLord that was going all over the forum for months on end? Was he a pariah to the typical conservatives on here, even the most hyper partisan of them? Was he not someone many of you probably would've called an "Extreme Conservative".

Can you honestly tell me his sex life was timid and likely didn't involve things on par with porn or sex tapes of yourself?

And, too, I doubt very much that this is what the Values Voters Summit people had in mind when they cheered Carrie's speech where she said conservatives needed to lead by example.
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You're probably correct. Additionally though, the Values Voters Summit is a large religious right convention type thing.

And even MORE do I doubt that engaging in behavior you are ashamed of ("That's Disgusting!"), and lying (denying it was she in the tape until the angle made that denial ludicrous), is 'leading by example'.

It is absolutely hypocritical. To deny the hypocrisy here is denying truth.
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As I said in a post a few posts up, the sex before marriage if done while she was preaching that it shouldn't be done is absolutely hypocritical. If the tape was done with her knowledge and she did the whole Disgusting thing, that's absolutely hypocritical. I won't argue that.

What I'm arguing is this notion put out by some that it somehow against general conservative principles to do kinky sex acts.
 
aps said:
I'd like to see that tape! (And see if StandUp and I can do a better job. ;))
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aps, I need to prove to these people that its okay for conservatives to have kinky sex and tape it. Care to assist ;)
 
I am not quite understanding how she is a hypocrite for making a private sex tape that was later seized without her permission. Oh shoot, she doesn't want gay marriage, so really, screw her, right?

But then again, liberals have hard-ons for finding conservative sex scandals, because apparently it is not interesting when a liberal does it. It's just more stupid wankery.

I completely disagreed with that woman, but for Christ's sake, the levels to which people are attacking her is unreal.
 
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I fail to see how her being in a sex tape relates at all to her opinions on gay marriage. While I don't agree with her views at all, I think she has every right in the world to have them. I also got tired of hearing her whine on the news that she didn't win solely because of her views on gay marriage. I don't believe that for a second.

The question was asked of her by Perez Hilton who used it as a way to grandstand because he's an attention whoring douche. Now she's got a sex tape and a fair amount of people on the left are cheering. Why? Because they want to see her brought down a peg for daring to have an opinion on gay marriage that they don't agree with. It has nothing to do with her being a hypocrite.

Guess what? People have a sex life. Some people film it and get into some pretty kinky stuff. How does that in any way invalidate her opinions on gay marriage?

People get pissy because they think she promotes this family values image, but that's bs as well. She was asked a question and gave her honest opinion on the subject. It's not like she went out of her way to give her opinion by trying to shove it down people's throats. This is nothing more than people on the left lashing out because someone dared to have a differing opinion on an issue. So, of course, they like to see that person humiliated a bit.
 
Fiddy, apparently the issue is she had taken a roll speaking for a group that as part of their tenets preachers no-premarital sex.

And well, you can't make a sex tape when you're not married without the premarital sex part coming into play
 
Fiddytree said:
I am not quite understanding how she is a hypocrite for making a private sex tape with a guy she wasn't married to that was later seized without her permission.
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That's why.

Fiddytree said:
Oh shoot, she doesn't want gay marriage, so really, screw her, right?
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Nope. She takes money from religious groups to promote "family values" and "the sanctity of marriage", and she gets caught not only having sex out of wedlock, but getting a friend to tape the act.

It's not rocket science. Would you consider Billy Graham a hypocrite if he went out for booze at a strip joint right after delivering a sermon?

Fiddytree said:
But then again, liberals have hard-ons for finding conservative sex scandals,
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Carrie isn't a conservative (unless you think Obama is). All her "Family Values" crap which she promoted later (for cash) was obviously just done for money (as this tape proves, that and the fact she lied about it being her in the tape).

Fiddytree said:
because apparently it is not interesting when a liberal does it. It's just more stupid wankery.
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1. Bill Clinton almost got impeached over a BJ.

I could care less what people do in their bedroom (that's where me and the fundies differ). But I do care when someone is blatantly dishonest about their "family values" just to get money and publicity.

Fiddytree said:
I completely disagreed with that woman, but for Christ's sake, the levels to which people are attacking her is unreal.
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No more than's the case with Ted Haggart, or any other pseudo-Christian who only pretends to care about "family values" when it pays well.

It's the level that some conservatives are stooping to defend this fraud that's unreal? Are they truly that desparate?
 
I must have this tape...
 
You'd think she knew about this sex tape, and would have seen it, and knew there was a close up angle.

Prejean was polite about her answer at the pageant, and displayed honesty. I see nothing wrong with saying what you think. She should have won for that reason alone. Would have shown the pageant isn't biased.

I don't know why so many people make sex tapes these days. Very bad idea. Never write anything down, or put it on tape.

Morals are a mixed bag these days. Prejean could do better, but she could probably also do worse. I'd say she probably turned out ok overall.

She is a kid in many ways, and really, people need to giver her a break.

She is in the public eye, so she needs to have very thick skin.
 
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