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    Re: Carrie Prejean - the change of heart

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    It was a mistake when I was posting the quote boxes. Sorry.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean - the change of heart

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    How the hell was she preaching morality to the rest of us?? No one preached jack**** to me. She answered a question, and by the looks of the GM referendum, people in 31 states agree with her.

    You guys are applauding blackmail. You should be proud of yourselves.
    She went on television about how she was just given her opinion and was applauded as the shinning example of an all American Christian woman. Now she got caught having not only unmarried sex but filming it. It's a matter of principle and not being a complete f'n hypocrite.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean - the change of heart

    If she was speaking out against pre-marital sex and this sex occured after that point, then most assuredly it was hypocritical of her.

    If she was speaking out against pornography, and she had any intent to release this video, then most assuredly it was hypocritical of her.

    If she was speaking out against pornography, and she had intended this to be a private piece of video or was done without her knowledge then personally I don't consider it "porn" in the sense that is usually used (AKA actual distributed pornography)

    I haven't seen the video, so honestly don't know if it was professionally done, amateurly done, seemingly done in a way she may not have known the camera was there (Tucker Maxx style), etc nor have I seen any evidence that this was planned to be marketed so just like in other instances, I'm not going to immiedetely assume that fact without any proof at all of that kind.

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    Re: Prejean Sex Tape Triggers Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    In general Conservatism has a large base in religion/morality/etc.
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    there's a large base of people IN conservatism that have a large believe in a specific religion/morality.
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    For the most part the religious right are conservative
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    I love when liberals try to tell conservatives what conservatives have or believe.

    You're disagreeing for disagreements sake.

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    Re: Prejean Sex Tape Triggers Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, I was responding to was those continually saying CONSERVATIVES in general don't want porn allowed, thinks its immoral to have un-married sex, thinks its wrong to make personal sex tapes of themselves, etc. I haven't once been arguing that the religious right dislikes those things, but that conservatives as a whole and as a political ideology don't all have issues with it.

    For the most part the religious right are conservative

    Conservatives aren't necessarily the religious right

    I have trouble believing that. Socially liberal conservatives are generally viewed as pariahs within the conservative movement. Maybe I have a distorted image of conservatives in general, but I'd need to see proof that tolerance for porn and making sex tapes of yourself is not a minority position within the 'conservative movement'.


    And, too, I doubt very much that this is what the Values Voters Summit people had in mind when they cheered Carrie's speech where she said conservatives needed to lead by example. And even MORE do I doubt that engaging in behavior you are ashamed of ("That's Disgusting!"), and lying (denying it was she in the tape until the angle made that denial ludicrous), is 'leading by example'.

    It is absolutely hypocritical. To deny the hypocrisy here is denying truth.

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    Re: Prejean Sex Tape Triggers Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I think the new conservative answer will be "Porn is fine....unless it is gay porn"......wouldn't it be great if it were exposed that the person filming Ms. Martyr was a woman?
    I'd like to see that tape! (And see if StandUp and I can do a better job. )

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    Re: Prejean Sex Tape Triggers Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    When somebody wears their Christianity on their sleeves, and profess to be better than others to the point that they believe they have the right to tell others how to live their lives, you can be sure that they are fake Christians, and only in it for ulterior motives, such as advancing in politics, or making a name for themselves. But behind the facade of many of these fake Christians are the fruits they bear. Jesus himself said that we may know of someone by the fruits he or she bears. If the fruit is rotten, then so is the bearer of that fruit.

    Other examples include Diaper Dave Vitter (prostitutes), Larry Craig (gay sex), Helen Chenowith (adultery), evangelist Tony Alamo (child porn), Rush Limbaugh (drugs), Sean Hannity (phone sex), Jimmy Swaggart (sex scandal), Ted Haggard (gay sex and drugs), Jim Bakker (prostitutes), Paul Crouch (Founder of TBN - homosexual affair), Pastor Paul Barnes (homosexuality), Pastor Lonnie Latham (homosexuality), Televangelist Richard Roberts (fraud), Pastor and political activist Coy Privette (prostitution), Pastor Joe Barron (child molestation), and a cast of thousands more.

    Rather than being paragons of virtue, the nut cakes of the so-called religious right have more than amply demonstrated throughout the years, that they do NOT have the market cornered on morality. If they have any market cornered, it is on hypocrisy. And don't forget that Jesus said there is a special place in hell for hypocrites.
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    Re: Prejean Sex Tape Triggers Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    You're disagreeing for disagreements sake.
    No, I'm not. You said that in general CONSERVATIVISM itself has a large base in religion/morality.

    What I'm saying is that while religion and morality is a factor in portions of CONSERVATISM, its only a "large" base in one particular segment of that movement, the religious right.

    For what you said to be true, for conservatism to have a LARGE BASE in religions view of morality, one would be hard pressed to be able to follow conservatism if they didn't subscribe specifically to that religion (christianity as you point outs) morality...which simply isn't the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I have trouble believing that. Socially liberal conservatives are generally viewed as pariahs within the conservative movement.
    One can be socially conservative without being religious or exactly in line with the religious right. There's more to being social conservative then simply abortion and gay marriage, and one can even have views on those two things outside of the religious context of it.

    I think the issue you're having is just that in recent years the religious right has been one of the more visiable of the conservative contingents. Additionally, to speak bluntly, they'll the contingent that the liberals like to focus on the most and bring up the most because they're the ones with some of the most easy to criticize views as well.

    Maybe I have a distorted image of conservatives in general, but I'd need to see proof that tolerance for porn and making sex tapes of yourself is not a minority position within the 'conservative movement'
    Understandable. However here's a little anecdotal.

    Do we all remember a wonderful "Dear Leader" spewing CelticLord that was going all over the forum for months on end? Was he a pariah to the typical conservatives on here, even the most hyper partisan of them? Was he not someone many of you probably would've called an "Extreme Conservative".

    Can you honestly tell me his sex life was timid and likely didn't involve things on par with porn or sex tapes of yourself?

    And, too, I doubt very much that this is what the Values Voters Summit people had in mind when they cheered Carrie's speech where she said conservatives needed to lead by example.
    You're probably correct. Additionally though, the Values Voters Summit is a large religious right convention type thing.

    And even MORE do I doubt that engaging in behavior you are ashamed of ("That's Disgusting!"), and lying (denying it was she in the tape until the angle made that denial ludicrous), is 'leading by example'.

    It is absolutely hypocritical. To deny the hypocrisy here is denying truth.
    As I said in a post a few posts up, the sex before marriage if done while she was preaching that it shouldn't be done is absolutely hypocritical. If the tape was done with her knowledge and she did the whole Disgusting thing, that's absolutely hypocritical. I won't argue that.

    What I'm arguing is this notion put out by some that it somehow against general conservative principles to do kinky sex acts.

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    Re: Prejean Sex Tape Triggers Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I'd like to see that tape! (And see if StandUp and I can do a better job. )
    aps, I need to prove to these people that its okay for conservatives to have kinky sex and tape it. Care to assist

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    Re: Prejean Sex Tape Triggers Settlement

    I am not quite understanding how she is a hypocrite for making a private sex tape that was later seized without her permission. Oh shoot, she doesn't want gay marriage, so really, screw her, right?

    But then again, liberals have hard-ons for finding conservative sex scandals, because apparently it is not interesting when a liberal does it. It's just more stupid wankery.

    I completely disagreed with that woman, but for Christ's sake, the levels to which people are attacking her is unreal.
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