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    Re: The Vietnam moment

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't have an answer for that one, but I still maintain that getting them to play ball might be much easier if we covered all the bases. Think about it from Pakistan's position: why should they become embroiled in a slug fest with the Tallies, when all they've seen America do for the last 30 years, is leave and not finish the job?
    Very good point.

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    Simple, shoot the guys that are carrying the weapons. And, yes, it's going to be time consuming. That's not a reason to just give up.
    Also, HUMINT can point them out, even if they don't have their guns.

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    Re: The Vietnam moment

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Very good point.
    Let me add to that: Pakistan saw us walk off from Afghanistan once. Why should they have any reason to think we wouldn't do it again?
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    Re: The Vietnam moment

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Simple, shoot the guys that are carrying the weapons. And, yes, it's going to be time consuming. That's not a reason to just give up.
    That's not a reason to give up but this is what Thomas Friedman says:

    We simply do not have the Afghan partners, the NATO allies, the domestic support, the financial resources or the national interests to justify an enlarged and prolonged nation-building effort in Afghanistan.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/op...n.html?_r=1&em

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    Re: The Vietnam moment

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    That's not a reason to give up but this is what Thomas Friedman says:



    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/op...n.html?_r=1&em
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    Re: The Vietnam moment

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    All of our allies except UK and Canada are pussies. If we had the Russians as allies that place would be cleaned up in a month.
    How??? Why???

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    Re: The Vietnam moment

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    That's not a reason to give up but this is what Thomas Friedman says:



    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/op...n.html?_r=1&em
    Still, no reason to surrender.
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    Re: The Vietnam moment

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    All of our allies except UK and Canada are pussies.
    Making them less of allies and more of business partners. Our true allies seem to all speak English. France's de Gaul made it clear that English speaking nations were less than European in the 1950s and 60s. This attitude, coupled with the fact that they "owe" outsiders (to include the Russians) for their salvation and futures, crossed borders. Let's move on to today...

    The leaders of the EU (at least in voice, sentiment, and influence) are France and Germany. Two of the worst torturers, slaughterers, and troublemakers in the region have labeled themselves as our voice of conscience as they criticize everything we do. They complain about having to do anything more than the bare minimum for America in Afghanistan and dare question the validity of removing a dictator (of which they proved to contuinue to have love affairs for).

    The hardest workers in Afghanistan are the English speaking nations. The same as it was during World War II with help on the east from Russians. Nothing has changed. It's the same Europe.

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    Re: The Vietnam moment

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Making them less of allies and more of business partners. Our true allies seem to all speak English. France's de Gaul made it clear that English speaking nations were less than European in the 1950s and 60s. This attitude, coupled with the fact that they "owe" outsiders (to include the Russians) for their salvation and futures, crossed borders. Let's move on to today...

    The leaders of the EU (at least in voice, sentiment, and influence) are France and Germany. Two of the worst torturers, slaughterers, and troublemakers in the region have labeled themselves as our voice of conscience as they criticize everything we do. They complain about having to do anything more than the bare minimum for America in Afghanistan and dare question the validity of removing a dictator (of which they proved to contuinue to have love affairs for).

    The hardest workers in Afghanistan are the English speaking nations. The same as it was during World War II with help on the east from Russians. Nothing has changed. It's the same Europe.
    I should have mention Australia as well.
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    Re: The Vietnam moment

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    I should have mention Australia as well.
    Another English speaking nation.

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    Re: The Vietnam moment

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Congress's authority ends there. They have no authority to give orders to the military, concerning tactics and strategy. The only civilian that has that authority is the president. There are no members of Congress in the chain of command.
    Try fighting a war without money. Congress is second in power in America (first being the Presidency) because it has the power of the purse.
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