Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char
I'm loving where this thread is going.
Haven't heard from the Rat, he must be busy cleaning up all the sadistic violence in his latest video game for kids.
I didn't say I don't give a damn about your opinion. I care very much about your opinion, so I can explain to you how completely insane it is. I said I don't care about your moral judgements. Those are irrelevant.
Keep on scrubbing those video games, you wouldn't want to corrupt society.
Why should he even bother responding to you when its so blatantly obvious you don't even bother to read and comprehend his posts but instead just want to continue making assumptions about what he thinks or what he says and deal with those assumptions rather than his views. How else can you explain those two quotes that came after a post where he clearly stated he doesn't make video games. More to the point, you actually QUOTED said post and replied to it, yet seemed to have completley missed the part, making it clear as daylight you're intent here isn't to debate him but to just rage against him because you dislike his general idea.
I'm not anywhere near the extreme of Kori. I don't think the guy should be in prison. I don't necessarily think this kind of work should be banned. I do, however, think there's no problem in general with society basically looking upon such degradation focused porn as an "abnormal" thing.
I'm not anywhere near the extreme of Riv. Riv, you know for a fact you're far from the average person sexually. Both in mentality and just background/history. In general, in a society, what is "normal" is defined by the majority. The same goes with what's "degrading". Its akin to public nudity. YOU may not find public nudity as offensive. However, because the majority of our society views gratuitous nudity as offensive its not allowed out in public, its not "normal". Just because you don't find it offensive doesn't mean, in a general sense, its "offensive". You could view personally find it degrading if someone calls you a Lazy Mother****er whose enormous stupidity is only surpased by the size of your ass because you don't let peoples words hurt you. That doesn't change the fact that "normally" or "generally" such comments are viewed as degrading. As such, yes, the majority of society and normal social standards views choking a woman while you gag her on your member before turning her around and using the resulting saliva as lubricant as "degrading" even if you don't on a personal level, and therefore in a general sense it is a "degrading" act.
I disagree, strongly, with the notion that those that are watching this kind of "degredation" porn, especially men, are doing so while not thinking its degrading and that's why they like it. Much like rape, this kind of thing is the feeling of power. This kind of porn is popular amongst men I would imagine because its giving that alpha male mentality where a woman is nothing but a sex toy to do with and use as you see fit, but because the girl is submissive instead of flat out resisting its not "rape" so they can justify it in their mind. Its the same kind of guys that in college that would laugh about how they slipped it in the backdoor and made her scream, but she kept coming back the next week cause he was an upper classman and had bear.
In college either 1st or 2nd hand I knew of plenty of girls, usually under classman, that ended up doing degrading type things in regards to sex. From being passed around to a variety of partners, to forced anal, to public sex, and onwards. Often, I'd wager, the girls did not do this because they got some kind of actual sexual thrill from it as much as for exterior reasons....popularity, acceptance, social status, booze, etc. I believe what Kori is arguing is that porn of this type gives people, especially men in this case, the idea that these kind of actions are okay, acceptable, and that women in general, not a minority of them, enjoy these kind of acts.
There was a poster in this thread, forgive me that I forget who, that talked about how Video game defenders have lurched too far in their defenses, going to the point of excusing things that shouldn't be excused because the people attacking the genre are doing so in such large exaggerated measures. I agree with him completely, and I think it applies to this situation as well.
I think those that think this man should be jailed, or that this type of thing should be banned through the government, are extremely over exaggerating the danger of these films and the boundries our government should go in regards to these issues. At the same time, in the defense of this man the other side I believe has reached too far and missed the mark, going so far as to seemingly correlate the type of things this man depicted in films as being really no different than two people doing general vanilla intercourse.
I think this is where society fails in some of these aspects. So often you have one of two extreme's, and that's it. You have the people on one side that get offended by something that is outside the norm and instead of just treating it as abnormal, avoiding it, and discouraging it, they try to ban it. On the other side you have people that try to promote the abnormal/bad/deviant as something that is normal/good/healthy and completely fully acceptable for everyone in every way. Middle ground generally is only reached when one side is stopped and the issue is forced into the middle through gridlock.
Max Hardcore should not be in jail. His videos should be able to sell. His videos are not normal depictions of sex, nor likely the most healthy of types. I personally don't find them very appealing, though at times maybe I'm feeling a bit kinky and one random one strikes my fancy. If so, so be it, its my right as an adult. But at the same time I'm not going to stand there and try to say that such is absolutely perfectly normal. No, its probably a bit abnormal, and I'm fine with accepting that and accepting that hey...maybe I'm a little abnormal.
Abnormal doesn't necessarily mean bad.
But perhaps this is my weird perspective as a guy who in a much lesser extreme has always been in a category that is looked at socially as abnormal and outside of the normal realm as a person that is into numerous things of the geek culture. I like roleplaying games, I like video games, fantasy novels intested me, sci-fi movies were always a favorite, comics were intriguing even though I didn't get into them a lot, anime people piss me off but the actual shows aren't bad. I can tell you what thac0 means and what someone means by "lf3m dps with 4k imba for TOGC10 on FC". I'm also never going to sit here and tell you that many of my geeky tendancies are "perfectly normal" because they're not really....but they're not "bad" simply because they're not normal.
I've just come to understand that there are social stigmas. They're there. They're a part of a culture. Unless we want to live in isolated societies of singular people they're always going to be there. I have no real issues with them, strictly socially speaking. But I do not like when on a large, pervasive, unconstitutional scale the government begins to enforce those social stigmas to greatly on the general public without a good reason.
In regards to public obscenitiy laws, the amount of people that would be affected by it, the amount of the majority that support it, and the uncontrolled nature of it makes it acceptable to m.e
In regards to something like pornography or video games, restrictions on age are acceptable to me for the reasos stated above with obscenity laws. However, once such things are enacted, the scope of the benefit of outright bannishment shrinks and thus the needed positives of bannishment do not outweigh the negatives of it to me.
