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Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity charges

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:lol:
I don't know why he thinks that Max Hardcore's films have "corrupted normal people". How many "normal people" even know who Max Hardcore is, much less wank to that stuff? :lol:

Weird old looking dude in a Cowboy hat=I ain't watching it.
 
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No Jerry we have one size it's called The United State of America Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Wow that's the most ignorant post I've seen in a while.

I'm still waiting for you to tell us what is next on this list Church's,Type of People,Political Beliefs come on Jerry.

That's your slippery-slope so I'll leave it you to argue.
 
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If you respect the rule of law you necessarily support his conviction.
I don't. I support the repeal of idiotic laws which aren't consistantly applied (and only are now for political purposes)

They're a million Max Hardcores for every one who gets busted for violating "decency laws". Therefore it makes far more sense to repeal these laws than only enforce them when you feel like it and then claim it's being done just "out of respect for rule of law". :rofl
 
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Wat? It was porn, not a life lesson

Anybody who tries to learn normal social conduct through porn is gonna be screwed up no matter what they're watching
Depends on what you mean here.

The women involved are real people; therefore, much of the supposedly "perverted" conduct depicted in Max's material is in non-fictional.

If people can engage in rough, wet and messy, and sadomasochistic sex in commercial porn then why not in "real life," provided that everyone involved is consenting? Is Max only screwed up if he actually gets off on what he's doing?

Many of Max's themes are at most just exaggerated versions of behaviors you can already find in mainstream porn. For a couple examples Belladonna and Sasha Grey are often no less nasty than Max (Sasha at least has said she was into rough sex/S&M before ever actually starting porn). Rocco Siffredi is just as rough and "degrading" as Max and sex researcher Alan McKee mentioned that he's a popular porn star with female audiences (yes, women watch porn too!).

Max's themes go well beyond some goofy old guy in a cowboy hat and a handful of trenchcoated greasy old guys jerking off. He's tapping into archetypes and desires that are very human. Consider the people who celebrate the rape of prison inmates or fantasize out loud about torturing "pedophiles" (which might include people sexually attracted to teenagers in their definition) to death. Such people are way more prevalent than people who have seen Max Hardcore vids and of course they're highly concentrated among right-wing authoritarians. Are such people any less sadistic than people who produce and get off on "extreme porn" or is it that they are less honest and creative about it?

It's interesting that the most politically domineering people - people who are the quickest to judge others, in fact the sort of people who would jump to the chance to guard a concentration camp that held those they consider to be "deviants" - are the same people who always lead the charge to ban sexual expression?

Speaking of which, to those who have said that feminists and social conservatives have much in common, there are many feminists who actually are very sex-positive and pro-pornography. Feminists are not a monolithic group, though arguably the ones in bed with social conservatives are feminists in name only since they go against the most basic feminist principle of women having sovereignty over their own bodies. It's telling how Pamela Paul's Pornified, for example, was panned by many feminists but praised by Albert Mohler of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary! Talk about being in bed with the patriarchy. If you actually look in the courts, in the legislatures, check out the voting records and the contributions, anti-sex "feminists" are neither a necessary nor sufficient factor in the drive to ban porn (or keep honest prostitution banned). Instead, those who support these measures are overwhelmingly right-wing authoritarian men - such as social conservatives and fascists. Remember the retarded Child Pornography Prevention Act (CPPA) that made cartoon porn illegal? Only three Republicans voted against it. It's a recurring pattern... it's the conservatives on the Supreme Court and for the most part on the circuit courts who bloc against porn as well. Ruth Ginsburg is the most consistently pro-First Amendment member of SCOTUS and she's also the most feminist. Before she was a member of SCOTUS she volunteered for the ACLU!

So it's interesting then how often MacDworkinite "feminists" get blamed for the anti-sex hysteria. If it wasn't for men willing to vote for their measures they'd get nowhere.

It's also interesting how the most feminist countries have the softest punishments for sex crimes and the most liberal policies on porn. Even scat porn is made and sold in feminist Sweden and Denmark, but not in more male-dominated Poland and in hyper-patriarchal Iran or Saudi Arabia it would get you hanged in a heartbeat. Female liberation and sexual liberation tend to go hand in hand - it's not just a coincidence. The anti-porner fems are just a neurotic subset of very catty* women who have been co-opted by the SoCons to assist in pushing their reactionary agenda.

*No offense to felines; I love 'em.
 
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Consider the people who celebrate the rape of prison inmates or fantasize out loud about torturing "pedophiles" (which might include people sexually attracted to teenagers in their definition) to death. Such people are way more prevalent than people who have seen Max Hardcore vids and of course they're highly concentrated among right-wing authoritarians.

And given my chastisements for people who engage in such fantasy-- or at least do so aloud in public-- it should come as no surprise that I would condemn those who actively engage in fantasies about inflicting similar treatments upon people who are portrayed as innocent. These are not harmless flights of fancy; fantasy shapes our emotional lives and motivates behavior. The shamelessly irrational bloodthirst that you speak of is what makes it politically impossible to maintain useful rehabilitation programs in prisons.

What kind of behavior do you think these pornographic fantasies inspire?

Feminists are not a monolithic group, though arguably the ones in bed with social conservatives are feminists in name only since they go against the most basic feminist principle of women having sovereignty over their own bodies.

Some people might be inclined to argue that the most basic feminist principle is that women deserve an equal place and an equal say in society and that they ought to be seen and treated as people rather than objects-- goals that pornography and especially this kind of pornography actively detract from. A woman may have sovereignty over her own body, but there are things she might do with her body that harm others or harm society-- and must therefore remain prohibited.
 
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He should appeal.

I agree.

As long as both parties are over 18 then such conduct is protected under the constitution.

This is yet another case of Florida perverting justice to serve its own personal needs.
 
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And given my chastisements for people who engage in such fantasy-- or at least do so aloud in public-- it should come as no surprise that I would condemn those who actively engage in fantasies about inflicting similar treatments upon people who are portrayed as innocent. These are not harmless flights of fancy; fantasy shapes our emotional lives and motivates behavior. The shamelessly irrational bloodthirst that you speak of is what makes it politically impossible to maintain useful rehabilitation programs in prisons.

What kind of behavior do you think these pornographic fantasies inspire?



Some people might be inclined to argue that the most basic feminist principle is that women deserve an equal place and an equal say in society and that they ought to be seen and treated as people rather than objects-- goals that pornography and especially this kind of pornography actively detract from. A woman may have sovereignty over her own body, but there are things she might do with her body that harm others or harm society-- and must therefore remain prohibited.

WRONG.

What Max Hardcore did is protected under the 1st Amendment.

Florida is simply perverting justice to serve their own means. It's shameful and Florida should be punished for doing it.
 
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The fact that something offends you is not sufficient reason to ban it or make it illegal.

If more Americans realized this, we would be far better off.
 
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What Max Hardcore did is protected under the 1st Amendment.

Only because the Supreme Court has perverted the 1st Amendment far beyond either the written language or the intent; this is no different than arguing that the 2nd Amendment protects a "collective" right rather than an individual one. Obscenity is not speech, and no supposed "freedom of obscenity" deserves to be enshrined in our Bill of Rights alongside the freedom of speech and the freedom of the press.
 
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These are not harmless flights of fancy; fantasy shapes our emotional lives and motivates behavior.
Are you talking about sexual fantasies or something else? Because my sexual fantasies have absolutely nothing to do with my "emotional life" and certainly don't motivate my behavior beyond achieving a climax.

Just how do your fantasies shape your entire life? If they do, perhaps it is you that has the problem and not the rest of the world that you seem to want to believe has the same problem you do.

What kind of behavior do you think these pornographic fantasies inspire?
Getting off.

Just what kind of behavior do YOUR fantasies inspire?

Some people might be inclined to argue that the most basic feminist principle is that women deserve an equal place and an equal say in society and that they ought to be seen and treated as people rather than objects-- goals that pornography and especially this kind of pornography actively detract from. A woman may have sovereignty over her own body, but there are things she might do with her body that harm others or harm society-- and must therefore remain prohibited.
How does porn detract from any feminist goals at all? And how does my getting off harm society?
 
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During the film Lain starts to cry as she had no idea that she would be urinated on during the film. Filming is not stopped and she is coerced into finishing the film, she begins crying again and Little tells the crew the shoot has finished. The editing makes a feature of and ridicules her tears, also the fact that she says she is not stupid. An exit interview is filmed where she asks for a sticker for her boyfriend, again the editing makes her look ridiculous for this.

Max Hardcore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


This seems to be a little bit beyond the First Amendment. What an asshole.
 
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Sov can I point out you half heartedly lectured people on viewing feminists as a monolithic movement and then proceeded to describe all social conservatives as a monolithic movement?
 
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Are you talking about sexual fantasies or something else? Because my sexual fantasies have absolutely nothing to do with my "emotional life" and certainly don't motivate my behavior beyond achieving a climax.

And you still insist that "achieving a climax" and "getting off" are not every bit as much emotional responses as they are physical? I know that I am disturbed, thank you, but perhaps it is time for you to admit that I'm not the only one.
 
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Whatabout people that have Freddy Kruger fanatasies? Should those films be cesured?
 
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Whatabout people that have Freddy Kruger fanatasies? Should those films be cesured?

You're not supposed to masturbate to Freddy Kreuger. If someone makes a habit of it, they should probably be under psychiatric care.
 
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You're not supposed to masturbate to Freddy Kreuger. If someone makes a habit of it, they should probably be under psychiatric care.

As long as it doesn't harm anyone who cares? Why care?
 
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And you still insist that "achieving a climax" and "getting off" are not every bit as much emotional responses as they are physical? I know that I am disturbed, thank you, but perhaps it is time for you to admit that I'm not the only one.

What the hell does an orgasm have to do with emotion? I rub my clit, I orgasm. No emotion involved.

And you didn't answer my questions.
 
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As long as it doesn't harm anyone who cares? Why care?

Obviously, since someone may harm society by jacking off to Freddy Kreuger, we MUST ban Freddy Kreuger so as to protect society!
 
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But see that is the problem the Law/Rule is a clear violation of the 1st Adm. hence it should have been throw out and the Law over turned by The United State Supreme Court. While you can stated that the State has rights to enacted there Laws under the 10th Adm. they can't violated said 1st Adm by enacting said Laws.

WRONG.

What Max Hardcore did is protected under the 1st Amendment.

The Supreme Court has said that some speech is not protected by the 1st amendment, and that includes obscenity, which seems to be the ruling in this case. For that reason, under current precedent this conviction would hold up, because nine people in whatever town on whatever date thought the work had no legitimate value.

Your opinion of his work (which I happen to agree with your opinion of it) is irrelevant. If you don't approve of his work, don't buy it. There is a thing called the first amendment, you might want to read it sometime.

This case should be appealed and hopefully overturned.

Your opinion is relevant, because obscenity is defined by community standards. Basically the test for obscenity is a trial by jury. The only way to tell what is obscene at any particular place and time is to make it, be prosecuted for it and go to trial.

This makes obscenity laws impossible to follow. And since obscenity is not covered by the first amendment, freedom of speech is irrelevant. If some guy downloads your YouTube video in Lancaster County Pennsylvania you could find yourself prosecuted for obscenity according to Amish community standards. This is an extreme example but that is basically the law of the land as defined by SCOTUS in Miller v. California.
 
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It's interesting that some people are against obscenity laws (which are in question with this case).
Yet are these same people against Slander or Libel and Symbolic Speech? (These other forms of speech or expression are, also, not protected by the constitution).

The SCOTUS has tried countless times to define what's obscene and what isn't - coming up short each time, leaving it to a case-by-case basis.

"To be obscene the work, taken as a whole, must be judged by the average person applying contemporary community standards to appeal to the 'prurient interest' or to depict in a 'patently offensive way, sexual conduct specificaly defined by applicable state law' and to lack 'serious literary, artistic political or scientific value."

So it depends on which stance you want to take. . .
Aristotle: believing that viewing quesitonable acts committed on stage is a means of relieving the desire to do them yourself, via catharsis.
Or Plato: believing that viewing questionable acts on stage only encourages those acts to be committed by the populus.
 
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I cant wait to see the 2girls1cup ladies in jail. They have tricked me one too many times. Once.
 
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What the hell does an orgasm have to do with emotion? I rub my clit, I orgasm. No emotion involved.

And you didn't answer my questions.

You're right. I didn't answer your questions, because they are all based on the psychologically faulty premise that sexual arousal, masturbation, and orgasm are all purely biomechanical functions. Sexual arousal is a physical response to emotional stimuli; masturbation and orgasm create feelings of pleasure and release bonding hormones which create positive, relational associations with whatever other stimuli are available. Divorcing these positive associations from other human beings, or indiscriminately associating them with strangers, is both a cause and a symptom of psychological sexual dysfunction.

Until you can admit to yourself that sexuality is psychologically and sociologically more significant than simple bodily functions, it is pointless to try to argue these issues with you.
 
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You're right. I didn't answer your questions, because they are all based on the psychologically faulty premise that sexual arousal, masturbation, and orgasm are all purely biomechanical functions. Sexual arousal is a physical response to emotional stimuli; masturbation and orgasm create feelings of pleasure and release bonding hormones which create positive, relational associations with whatever other stimuli are available. Divorcing these positive associations from other human beings, or indiscriminately associating them with strangers, is both a cause and a symptom of psychological sexual dysfunction.

Until you can admit to yourself that sexuality is psychologically and sociologically more significant than simple bodily functions, it is pointless to try to argue these issues with you.

Absolutely true.
 
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You're right. I didn't answer your questions, because they are all based on the psychologically faulty premise that sexual arousal, masturbation, and orgasm are all purely biomechanical functions. Sexual arousal is a physical response to emotional stimuli; masturbation and orgasm create feelings of pleasure and release bonding hormones which create positive, relational associations with whatever other stimuli are available. Divorcing these positive associations from other human beings, or indiscriminately associating them with strangers, is both a cause and a symptom of psychological sexual dysfunction.
LMFAO Sexual arousal is a physical response to emotional stimuli? Are you ****ing kidding me? Sure, it CAN be for some people at certain times, but it most certainly is not always.

I rub my hand over my breast and my nipples get hard and I feel a physically pleasurable sensation. There's absolutely no emotion involved there, and there most certainly isn't any other person involved. What emotional stimuli is being used?

Using my moistened finger to stimulate my clit doesn't involve a single other person, or even the thought of a single other person. It simply requires the gentle friction of skin on skin and my intimate knowledge of my own body and my own desires and my own pleasure spots. What am I bonding with? My own hand? What emotional stimuli am I supposedly responding to?

And, I guess those "bonding hormones" that are released when I use the removable shower head in the shower to orgasm bond me to .... what? The shower head? :lol:

Seriously, this is just absolutely ridiculous. Apparently I should marry my vibrator since we share so much emotional and psychological bonding. :lol:

And I guess me and Angelina Jolie must already be "emotionally bonded" for life. LOL

Until you can admit to yourself that sexuality is psychologically and sociologically more significant than simple bodily functions, it is pointless to try to argue these issues with you.

And unless you can admit to yourself that everyone in the world doesn't operate the way you do, doesn't view sex in the strange way you do, and that that fact is perfectly fine, then there is no point in even attempting to talk to you. You're too ****ing dead set in your own strange and warped way of thinking about sex to be able to even acknowledge that thinking and feeling in a different way is perfectly fine and FAR from being a "psychologically sexual dysfunction".

Seriously man, everyone else in the world isn't dysfunctional.
 
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And given my chastisements for people who engage in such fantasy-- or at least do so aloud in public-- it should come as no surprise that I would condemn those who actively engage in fantasies about inflicting similar treatments upon people who are portrayed as innocent. These are not harmless flights of fancy; fantasy shapes our emotional lives and motivates behavior. The shamelessly irrational bloodthirst that you speak of is what makes it politically impossible to maintain useful rehabilitation programs in prisons.
So we should ban movies like Friday the 13th or Passion of the Christ?

What kind of behavior do you think these pornographic fantasies inspire?
Masturbation. Most studies show that people who don't have a harmless outlet for their urges are more likely to enact them in real life (hence the Catholic priest sex scandals as one example).

The idea that "pornography/video games/TV/Dungeons and Dragons/etc make kids violent" is based just on stupid "scares" that come from the media (such as the Kid who planted pipe bombs in mailboxes trying to imitated the movie "Fight Club"). But in reality, if you added up all of these news stories, there would be more people who win the grand lotto jackpot than their would who committed a crime "based on a film/video game/etc".

Even the ages old principles that goes "when you're angry, go beat a pillow or kick a tree" disproves that ignorant idea. It serves as a harmless outlet for anger. I guess by your standards, beating a pillow might serve as a "motivator" to beat someone in real life, but the real world doesn't work that way.

Some people might be inclined to argue that the most basic feminist principle is that women deserve an equal place and an equal say in society and that they ought to be seen and treated as people rather than objects-- goals that pornography and especially this kind of pornography actively detract from.
They actually enhance it. It gives women (and men) the freedom to choose to express themselves equally.

A woman may have sovereignty over her own body, but there are things she might do with her body that harm others or harm society-- and must therefore remain prohibited.
Like eating McDonald's? If anything detracts from "female sanctity", it's these 200+ lb women who eat big macs for 3 meals a day. Let's make it illegal for women to eat fast food then :rofl

Sorry dude, but you might just want to move to Iran. Because that's the closest you'll get to the sexist society you envision (thank Jeebus).
 
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