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Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity charges

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Khayembii Communique said:
Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity charges

A US District Court in Florida has sentenced "extreme shock porn" gonzo director and distributor Max Hardcore, aka Paul F. Little, to four years in prison over obscenity charges. Writing for Salon, Glenn Greenwald wrote that he believes the verdict is a blow to first amendment rights:

"So, to recap, in the Land of the Free: if you're an adult who produces a film using other consenting adults, for the entertainment of still other consenting adults, which merely depicts fictional acts of humiliation and degradation, the DOJ will prosecute you and send you to prison for years. The claim that no real pain was inflicted will be rejected; mere humiliation is enough to make you a criminal. But if government officials actually subject helpless detainees in their custody to extreme mental abuse, degradation, humiliation and even mock executions long considered "torture" in the entire civilized world, the DOJ will argue that they have acted with perfect legality and, just to be sure, Congress will hand them retroactive immunity for their conduct. That's how we prioritize criminality and arrange our value system."​

The hometown Tampa, FL paper where Little was convicted wrote about the case in a condemning tone:

His pornographic persona, Max Hardcore, is all swagger and sadism - forcing women in his movies to do things that can't be described in a family newspaper. But in federal court today, as he faced a federal prison sentence, Paul F. Little trembled and begged a woman for mercy. "It just seems a very high price to pay, I think," Little told U.S. District Judge Susan Bucklew, "and I ask you to understand how much I've suffered."​

Judge Sentences Porn Producer To 46 Months In Prison (Tampa Bay Online). Similar accounts published in Max Hardcore's home town paper, The Pasadena (CA) Star-News, and in this Tampa Bay paper.

Why was Little, aka Hardcore, convicted in Florida, when the offending material was produced elsewhere and distributed in many places, even overseas? IANAL, but as I understand it: producers are subject to obscenity charges in any state the material can be downloaded when local standards deem the material to be obscene. The landmark Supreme Court case of Hustler Magazine v. Falwell is informative background reading.

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Where is the ruling?
 
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Jerry said:
He should hang himself.
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are you well hung jerry?
 
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When it comes to penis size, natural selection is not in social conservatives' favor...
 
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Jerry said:
He should hang himself.
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So Jerry since Korimyra doesn't want to answer my question you care to take a crack at it huh. I'll be waiting for either of you to tell us who's 1st Adm. we shall walk all over and when do we start the Torch and Pitch Fork March's.
 
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Scorpion89 said:
So Jerry since Korimyra doesn't want to answer my question you care to take a crack at it huh. I'll be waiting for either of you to tell us who's 1st Adm. we shall walk all over and when do we start the Torch and Pitch Fork March's.
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What question?

..and if more melodrama is all you have then don't bother.
 
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Jerry said:
What question?

..and if more melodrama is all you have then don't bother.
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See post 22 as for melodrama please
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
Based on the fact that this conviction occurred, apparently it is still illegal, at least in the state of Florida, and while I am apparently standing alone in saying that it ought to be, I will continue standing for it. Things like the films he produces should not exist, and have no place in a civilized society-- and I will stand behind any reasonable measure designed to keep such things from being produced and distributed in civilized societies, and to keep civilized people from being exposed to them.
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This Florida law is 100% irrelevant when it is direct contridiction the US Constitution



Korimyr the Rat said:
People do not have any "right" to this kind of filth, and the Courts upheld this for over a hundred years before overturning it. The First Amendment was intended to protect the freedom of conscience, our right to hold our religious, moral, and political beliefs and express them freely. It was never intended to be a shield for this kind of socially and morally corrosive sludge, and the fact that it has been expanded to act as such is as a gross distortion of the law as these films are a distortion of wholesome human sexuality.
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Actually, yes they do. The First Amendment is about allowing you to say anything you want as long as you don't slander, sexually harrass, or put anyone in a clear or present danger. As long as you aren't violating the rights of others, you can say anything, because a first Amendment would be meaningless if the government could arbitrarilly determine where the line is. Now I've never watched Max's work, nor do I want to. However, you, I and anyone else who doesn't want to watch this filth don't have to. Your religion argument is meaningless. You are allowed to practice your religion, but you cannot use force your religious values on others. It's explicitly stated that you can't in the constitution.

Korimyr the Rat said:
Good. That means that they can be charged as well.
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Yeah, let's get all the freaks and pervs in prison. Anyone with differant views, that Korymir finds offensive, should be thrown in jail

Korimyr the Rat said:
If I could, I would. I've thankfully managed to avoid seeing it so far, but from what I know of its content, it would certainly qualify. The fact that so many people seem to be defending this sort of conduct disturbs me. And the fact that it is impossible to enforce these laws against Internet porn producers-- who are frequently operating out of either liberal or lawless countries-- does not mean that we should not attempt to enforce them when and where we can against people who violate them domestically.
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I think his crap is filth. However, I don't have to watch it, and neither do you. If people are underaged or forced into this stuff, then yes, the law should go after them. However, you've failed to show that the person convicted or directed "2 Girls 1 Cup" forced anyone or used anyone underaged in their shoot.

Korimyr the Rat said:
New precedent? I am certain that these videos would have been found in violation of every obscenity law that has ever been written-- especially within the United States-- and that the degree to which Mr. Little has indulged in such obscenity would have been considered unthinkable in any era in which those laws were routinely enforced.
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Why should they be enforced. As long as they aren't being forced on anyone, like a flasher, why is it any of the government's business to interfere in a consentual relationship between the film creators, adult actors, and viewing audience. What gives you the right to force your values on others.

Korimyr the Rat said:
With any luck, this conviction will establish that once again there are a set of bare minimum guidelines for decency which must be observed in the production of materials for public consumption.
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Hopefully the he'll be realeased because his only crime was to exercise his rights in way that YOU and A FEW OTHERS disagree with

Korimyr the Rat said:
Look to the left of this, or any of my other, posts and tell me where you see the word "liberal." In fact, I dare you to find a post of mine where I endeavor to defend "rights" or freedom in general outside of a carefully constrained list-- which is limited either to those freedoms which are most conducive to a citizen being capable of fulfilling his duties to society, or to those freedoms which are essential to limiting the degree of corruption in government.



Hell, when have I ever spoken up in favor of "tolerance" as either a moral or civic virtue?
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Whether you care for it or not. The individual has rights in our system. This man was violating no other's rights. Yet his rights were violated. I also fail to see how you forcing your moral views on society is "conducive toward one fufilling their duties to society."
 
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Scorpion89 said:
See post 22 as for melodrama please
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Ahh ok. It's my fault I didn't see it. When someone says they have a question I scan the post looking for a "?". I shouldn't nit-pick over your bad grammar since I'm no better and I rarely even notice spelling errors.

Scorpion89 said:
So were do you plan on starting to draw the line[?]
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I plan on starting to draw the line at depictions of humiliation and degradation for the sole purpose of entertainment.

If there were some cultural message or moral lesson, that may be different, but here the purpose is simply to get your rocks off. Context is everything. IMO these things contribute to desensitizing and over-sexualizing the public, which in turn leads to abuse, divorce, rape, etc.

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Abusing the right to free speech is the surest way to loose it. This guy is no Martian Luther King Jr so spare me you hyper-emotional "but the first amendment" bull ****.
 
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Jerry said:
I plan on starting to draw the line at depictions of humiliation and degradation for the sole purpose of entertainment.



If there were some cultural message or moral lesson, that may be different, but here the purpose is simply to get your rocks off. Context is everything. IMO these things contribute to desensitizing and over-sexualizing the public,
which in turn leads to abuse, divorce, rape, etc.


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Abusing the right to free speech is the surest way to loose it. This guy is no Martian Luther King Jr so spare me you hyper-emotional "but the first amendment" bull ****.
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Why? Why is this more important than the rule of law?
 
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DrunkenAsparagus said:
Why? Why is this more important than the rule of law?
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Nice false premise there :lol:

Decency laws are the rule this guy was not following.

If you respect the rule of law you necessarily support his conviction.
 
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Jerry said:
Ahh ok. It's my fault I didn't see it. When someone says they have a question I scan the post looking for a "?". I shouldn't nit-pick over your bad grammar since I'm no better and I rarely even notice spelling errors.



I plan on starting to draw the line at depictions of humiliation and degradation for the sole purpose of entertainment.

If there were some cultural message or moral lesson, that may be different, but here the purpose is simply to get your rocks off. Context is everything. IMO these things contribute to desensitizing and over-sexualizing the public, which in turn leads to abuse, divorce, rape, etc.

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Abusing the right to free speech is the surest way to loose it. This guy is no Martian Luther King Jr so spare me you hyper-emotional "but the first amendment" bull ****.
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So basically your saying the Hell with the Bill of Rights then is that what your Stating if so then when shall we start burning Church's after that whats next shall we go after certain groups of people when do we start become that we all hate. What right do you have to tell me what I can watch/listen/photograph/film please show me when that right has been taken away, Iran/China/Cuba yes but the last time I check this is still the United States of America not the United Social States of America.

As for Hypro-emotion over the 1st Adm. your ****ing right I do and so should you and anyone else it's is the foundation of the United States of America and the most basic rights of us Humans.
 
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So who gets to decide what is appropriate and what is not? How are we supposed to know beforehand?

BTW I always found his work to be pretty funny. They're just so cheesy and over the top.

EDIT: And of course this could set a precedent whereby porn itself is banned. Sex on videotape?! That isn't decent!
 
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Jerry said:
Nice false premise there :lol:

Decency laws are the rule this guy was not following.

If you respect the rule of law you necessarily support his conviction.
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But see that is the problem the Law/Rule is a clear violation of the 1st Adm. hence it should have been throw out and the Law over turned by The United State Supreme Court. While you can stated that the State has rights to enacted there Laws under the 10th Adm. they can't violated said 1st Adm by enacting said Laws.

What you might call endecent other will say it's not I find all forms of religion Endecenent so shall we close all Churchs and burn them to the ground.
 
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Jerry said:
Nice false premise there :lol:

Decency laws are the rule this guy was not following.

If you respect the rule of law you necessarily support his conviction.
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As I stated before, they contridict the US Constitution in it's present form, which overules state law
 
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DrunkenAsparagus said:
As I stated before, they contridict the US Constitution in it's present form, which overules state law
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1st Adm. trumps 10th Adm all of the time Jerry or did you forget that part.
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
So who gets to decide what is appropriate and what is not? How are we supposed to know beforehand?
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This question is frustrating, but I have to stop myself and realize that not everyone on DP is an American, so I shouldn't expect them to have a high-school level understanding of Civics and American governmental structure.

We elect Representatives who's general moral character we agree with, and they in turn join with other elected Representatives in both the House and Senate. Together they debate, negotiate and compromise on policies reflecting that moral character.

What you end up with is an imperfect one-size-fits-all policy.

As they say at a military PX, we have 2 sizes: to big and to small.

I think the same applies here. We have 2 kinds of policy: to conservative or to liberal.
 
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Jerry said:
This question is frustrating, but I have to stop myself and realize that not everyone on DP is an American, so I shouldn't expect them to have a high-school level understanding of Civics and American governmental structure.

We elect Representatives who's general moral character we agree with, and they in turn join with other elected Representatives in both the House and Senate. Together they debate, negotiate and compromise on policies reflecting that moral character.

What you end up with is an imperfect one-size-fits-all policy.

As they say at a military PX, we have 2 sizes: to big and to small.

I think the same applies here. We have 2 kinds of policy: to conservative or to liberal.
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No Jerry we have one size it's called The United State of America Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I'm still waiting for you to tell us what is next on this list Church's,Type of People,Political Beliefs come on Jerry.
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
Because I don't think panties are sexist and wouldn't care if they were. My issue with this kind of pornography isn't that it promotes the mistreatment of women specifically, it's that it promotes the mistreatment of one's sexual partners in general as well as the distortion and misuse of one's own sexuality. As far as I am concerned, fetishes like this are a disease and people like Mr. Little are a disease vector.
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How in the **** does one "misuse" their own sexuality? That makes no goddamn sense. :lol:

And, how does watching porn promote "mistreatment" of one's partners or women in general? That makes no damn sense either.

Is the next step to put govt cameras in our bedrooms to make sure we don't engage in "obscene" behavior and "misuse" our sexuality?
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
Hah. Guess I get to be the first to say that I applaud this conviction.

The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.

Too much to hope for, but I cannot do otherwise.

There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.
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With respect I would hazzard a guess that a fairly large section of society would find much of what you post on here objectionable. If you expect others to respect your right to propergate what you want even though they dislike it then shouldnt you return the favor? Do you not think theres an implied social contract here?
 
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This is interesting:

"Based on Max Extreme 4, the city of Los Angeles in 1998 charged him with child pornography and distribution of obscenity. The fact that the actress was over the age of 18 was not disputed; they brought charges based solely on the fact that the actress was portraying a character who was underage."

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore]Max Hardcore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]



I will say, based upon my personal experience in the adult entertainment industry, that I was advised right from the start that it's against the law to pretend to be under-aged, and that if any customer ever asked for some sort of under-aged role-playing, I should refuse, state that it is illegal, and immediately show him the door.

I complied with this based on my own disgust for pedophiles and my wish not to encourage them; I never really believed it was against the law, though.
Apparently, however, it is.
 
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Jerry said:
Nice false premise there :lol:

Decency laws are the rule this guy was not following.

If you respect the rule of law you necessarily support his conviction.
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Good thing we have guys like you to tell us what's "decent".

You social conservatives are all the same. Small government...except when my sense of "decency" is offended.
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
So who gets to decide what is appropriate and what is not?
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Bible-thumping religious conservatives with too much time on their hands. Only they know what's moral and decent.
 
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