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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    So Jerry since Korimyra doesn't want to answer my question you care to take a crack at it huh. I'll be waiting for either of you to tell us who's 1st Adm. we shall walk all over and when do we start the Torch and Pitch Fork March's.
    What question?

    ..and if more melodrama is all you have then don't bother.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What question?

    ..and if more melodrama is all you have then don't bother.
    See post 22 as for melodrama please

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Based on the fact that this conviction occurred, apparently it is still illegal, at least in the state of Florida, and while I am apparently standing alone in saying that it ought to be, I will continue standing for it. Things like the films he produces should not exist, and have no place in a civilized society-- and I will stand behind any reasonable measure designed to keep such things from being produced and distributed in civilized societies, and to keep civilized people from being exposed to them.

    This Florida law is 100% irrelevant when it is direct contridiction the US Constitution



    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    People do not have any "right" to this kind of filth, and the Courts upheld this for over a hundred years before overturning it. The First Amendment was intended to protect the freedom of conscience, our right to hold our religious, moral, and political beliefs and express them freely. It was never intended to be a shield for this kind of socially and morally corrosive sludge, and the fact that it has been expanded to act as such is as a gross distortion of the law as these films are a distortion of wholesome human sexuality.

    Actually, yes they do. The First Amendment is about allowing you to say anything you want as long as you don't slander, sexually harrass, or put anyone in a clear or present danger. As long as you aren't violating the rights of others, you can say anything, because a first Amendment would be meaningless if the government could arbitrarilly determine where the line is. Now I've never watched Max's work, nor do I want to. However, you, I and anyone else who doesn't want to watch this filth don't have to. Your religion argument is meaningless. You are allowed to practice your religion, but you cannot use force your religious values on others. It's explicitly stated that you can't in the constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Good. That means that they can be charged as well.

    Yeah, let's get all the freaks and pervs in prison. Anyone with differant views, that Korymir finds offensive, should be thrown in jail

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    If I could, I would. I've thankfully managed to avoid seeing it so far, but from what I know of its content, it would certainly qualify. The fact that so many people seem to be defending this sort of conduct disturbs me. And the fact that it is impossible to enforce these laws against Internet porn producers-- who are frequently operating out of either liberal or lawless countries-- does not mean that we should not attempt to enforce them when and where we can against people who violate them domestically.

    I think his crap is filth. However, I don't have to watch it, and neither do you. If people are underaged or forced into this stuff, then yes, the law should go after them. However, you've failed to show that the person convicted or directed "2 Girls 1 Cup" forced anyone or used anyone underaged in their shoot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    New precedent? I am certain that these videos would have been found in violation of every obscenity law that has ever been written-- especially within the United States-- and that the degree to which Mr. Little has indulged in such obscenity would have been considered unthinkable in any era in which those laws were routinely enforced.

    Why should they be enforced. As long as they aren't being forced on anyone, like a flasher, why is it any of the government's business to interfere in a consentual relationship between the film creators, adult actors, and viewing audience. What gives you the right to force your values on others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    With any luck, this conviction will establish that once again there are a set of bare minimum guidelines for decency which must be observed in the production of materials for public consumption.

    Hopefully the he'll be realeased because his only crime was to exercise his rights in way that YOU and A FEW OTHERS disagree with

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Look to the left of this, or any of my other, posts and tell me where you see the word "liberal." In fact, I dare you to find a post of mine where I endeavor to defend "rights" or freedom in general outside of a carefully constrained list-- which is limited either to those freedoms which are most conducive to a citizen being capable of fulfilling his duties to society, or to those freedoms which are essential to limiting the degree of corruption in government.



    Hell, when have I ever spoken up in favor of "tolerance" as either a moral or civic virtue?
    Whether you care for it or not. The individual has rights in our system. This man was violating no other's rights. Yet his rights were violated. I also fail to see how you forcing your moral views on society is "conducive toward one fufilling their duties to society."

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    See post 22 as for melodrama please
    Ahh ok. It's my fault I didn't see it. When someone says they have a question I scan the post looking for a "?". I shouldn't nit-pick over your bad grammar since I'm no better and I rarely even notice spelling errors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    So were do you plan on starting to draw the line[?]
    I plan on starting to draw the line at depictions of humiliation and degradation for the sole purpose of entertainment.

    If there were some cultural message or moral lesson, that may be different, but here the purpose is simply to get your rocks off. Context is everything. IMO these things contribute to desensitizing and over-sexualizing the public, which in turn leads to abuse, divorce, rape, etc.

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    Abusing the right to free speech is the surest way to loose it. This guy is no Martian Luther King Jr so spare me you hyper-emotional "but the first amendment" bull ****.
    Last edited by Jerry; 10-31-09 at 01:46 PM.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post


    I plan on starting to draw the line at depictions of humiliation and degradation for the sole purpose of entertainment.



    If there were some cultural message or moral lesson, that may be different, but here the purpose is simply to get your rocks off. Context is everything. IMO these things contribute to desensitizing and over-sexualizing the public,
    which in turn leads to abuse, divorce, rape, etc.


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    Abusing the right to free speech is the surest way to loose it. This guy is no Martian Luther King Jr so spare me you hyper-emotional "but the first amendment" bull ****.
    Why? Why is this more important than the rule of law?

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Why? Why is this more important than the rule of law?
    Nice false premise there

    Decency laws are the rule this guy was not following.

    If you respect the rule of law you necessarily support his conviction.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ahh ok. It's my fault I didn't see it. When someone says they have a question I scan the post looking for a "?". I shouldn't nit-pick over your bad grammar since I'm no better and I rarely even notice spelling errors.



    I plan on starting to draw the line at depictions of humiliation and degradation for the sole purpose of entertainment.

    If there were some cultural message or moral lesson, that may be different, but here the purpose is simply to get your rocks off. Context is everything. IMO these things contribute to desensitizing and over-sexualizing the public, which in turn leads to abuse, divorce, rape, etc.

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    Abusing the right to free speech is the surest way to loose it. This guy is no Martian Luther King Jr so spare me you hyper-emotional "but the first amendment" bull ****.
    So basically your saying the Hell with the Bill of Rights then is that what your Stating if so then when shall we start burning Church's after that whats next shall we go after certain groups of people when do we start become that we all hate. What right do you have to tell me what I can watch/listen/photograph/film please show me when that right has been taken away, Iran/China/Cuba yes but the last time I check this is still the United States of America not the United Social States of America.

    As for Hypro-emotion over the 1st Adm. your ****ing right I do and so should you and anyone else it's is the foundation of the United States of America and the most basic rights of us Humans.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    So who gets to decide what is appropriate and what is not? How are we supposed to know beforehand?

    BTW I always found his work to be pretty funny. They're just so cheesy and over the top.

    EDIT: And of course this could set a precedent whereby porn itself is banned. Sex on videotape?! That isn't decent!
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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Nice false premise there

    Decency laws are the rule this guy was not following.

    If you respect the rule of law you necessarily support his conviction.
    But see that is the problem the Law/Rule is a clear violation of the 1st Adm. hence it should have been throw out and the Law over turned by The United State Supreme Court. While you can stated that the State has rights to enacted there Laws under the 10th Adm. they can't violated said 1st Adm by enacting said Laws.

    What you might call endecent other will say it's not I find all forms of religion Endecenent so shall we close all Churchs and burn them to the ground.

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    Re: Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity char

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Nice false premise there

    Decency laws are the rule this guy was not following.

    If you respect the rule of law you necessarily support his conviction.
    As I stated before, they contridict the US Constitution in it's present form, which overules state law

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